C.R. England and Sons, Inc. - West Valley, Ut.

Crap Rolling Every New Guy Leaves After Ninety Days

This is what happen to me when i worked for C.R. England, i was canned after 3 months with the company.

 

I like your style.
Strive to be liked.

Many have made such statements.
Most don't spare the details.

 

cre IS A rip off NUFF SAID

 

Every
New
Guy
Leaves
After
Ninety
Days

 

Well, isn't that original??

 

You went from trainer to trainee?? Or you meant back to training others. I was about to bust a gut there, lol.

 

Went from being a trainer (phase 1) to running solo. Now I am signed up to take the train-the-trainer class again. I have to take that to get my phase 1 trainer status back so I can get a student.

Since we are on the subject England charges me about $38 a day to have a student on the truck. So basically I have to pay CRE to be a trainer. So I still need to get good miles with the student to make any money. I get some students that complain that I am always rushing them because the don't understand you need to turn/burn to make money in this industry, they think its some kind of vacation.

 

Some people in the industry feel a trainer should train a student and not use them to supplement their insufficient income.

I believe Chester was a graduate of the PT Barnum school of business.

 

Really one whole phone call?

To a company that will only insure a 550 mile radius from domicile last I heard.

Glad to see the Son's of Chester are still out here cheerleading

 

Dewey,
Does C.R.E. charge you for trainer re-training?
Is there a time frame of off time allowed before re-training is required?
You were off for four months, if I recall, --- do you consider
re-training necessary for that amount of time?

From what I understand, C.R.E. is pretty fast-paced with their training. I've heard that trainees don't receive much, if any, observation by their trainers because they're run like a team. Trainee drives while trainer sleeps, and trainer drives while trainee sleeps. The reason for that seems to be the trainer's need to keep their head above water. If so, that raises many questions, and may be an answer as to why some trainees feel like you're "rushing" them, --- besides a lack of understanding of how money is made in this industry.

I've mentioned it before, and I'll say it again, I have nothing against C.R. England drivers, --- company, or leased. But I question some of C.R. England's (the Company) practices. Creating a situation that necessitates what amounts to renting a trainee for financial gain to cover the trainer's expenses is not, IMO, ethical.
A trainee shouldn't be affected by their trainer's personal financial situation, or be unreasonably rushed as a result of a desperation to make ends meet.

Me?
I'm more in favor of a system that attracts those who want to be trainers to teach newBees, rather than out of personal financial necessity. I think the main focus of attention should be on the trainee, not running them ragged to squeeze every possible mile out of them at their expense, and risk of early burn-out.
I think trainers should receive additional compensation when a trainee is on board.
I don't think there should be any financial incentive or reward for running a trainee as hard as seasoned drivers are accustomed to. That invites temptation. If the trainee can handle running hard, so be it. If they seem to be having trouble adjusting, it should be the trainers discretion how to best address each situation for each trainee. No two are exactly alike.

I would think that the object of training is turning out a quality product, --- that being, a driver prepared and capable of handling their duties safely and efficiently. To be effective as a trainer, a trainer needs to be flexible in methods and firm in expectations, and very observant. And at times, have a trainee observe the trainer. Lead and teach by example.
What do sleeping trainers teach trainees, ..... that they don't already know?

That bein' said, I noticed that we're neighbors too.
I'm inbetwixt you and jr4488 on the other side of the mountain (Saddleback and Modjeska Peak) over thar in Orange County. I want you to know that I appreciate y'all's participation in this thread's discussion(s), and I wish y'all the best of success, --- whatever color Big truck y'all drive.