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Legal log question split breaks HELP!

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by BridgettAnn, Jul 5, 2011.

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  1. Jul 5, 2011 #1
    BridgettAnn

    BridgettAnn Light Load Member

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    Okay. I am not a driver but I am a drivers significant other. He is not a new driver but doesn't generally use split breaks.
    Here is my question:
    He wasn't dispatched until 11:00 am this morning (because of the holiday and his other load cancelled). Anyway... he ended up waiting on a load until 3:30 this afternoon. So he waited about 4 hours to get loaded. Then he took a 2 hour break to take care of some personal business. He got back on the road at about 5:30 Pm. Any way to do a 460 mile (round trip) from Michigan to Indiana back to Michigan legally without taking another break? He can stay in the 11 hour rule legally, but is there any way to stay in the 14 hour rule legally? From what I saw on a website, it looks like he can start the 14 hours again after the 2 hour break because he had 10 hours off prior to? and will take 8 hours off after? Any help from you experienced, fine people is greatly appreciated.
    ~BridgettAnn
     
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  3. Jul 5, 2011 #2
    Frenzy

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    No, if his day started at 11am, then his 14hr clock runs out at 1am. Only an 8hr (or longer) sleeper berth stops the clock. Looks to me like he will get to his stop around 10pm. I don't know what the parking is like, but I would shut down at the stop for 8, and roll out about 6am.
     
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  4. Jul 5, 2011 #3
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    If you run paper and insist on split breaks (or attempting)you are the one adding to your complications.

    the part you left out was when was the daily log in question actually started as well as the preceeding time off before?
     
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  5. Jul 5, 2011 #4
    BridgettAnn

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    Sorry about that. He started at 11:00 am as Frenzy assumed. Could he use the 16 hour short haul exception? That would give him just enough time. If not, he'll just take the 8 and come back in the A.M. The problem is not rushing home. It's that it's messing up tomorrows day..
    Thanks again everyone.
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  7. Jul 5, 2011 #5
    BridgettAnn

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    Frenzy, you have an amazing internal calculator. He arrived at 10:04 PM ! Okay, let me ask you this. Would he be better off driving to the 14 hour mark, taking an entire 10 hour break so he can start the 14 over after only a short drive back to pick up another load and start the day over?
    ~BridgettAnn
     
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  8. Jul 5, 2011 #6
    kajidono

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    I'd take the 10 myself. That'd keep the days straight.
     
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  9. Jul 5, 2011 #7
    BridgettAnn

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    nevermind
    ~BridgettAnn
     
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  10. Jul 5, 2011 #8
    kajidono

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    Some of them do have trackers, swift even has little cameras in there so they can see if the load shifts. I would not take the chance not knowing the company well enough and not knowing if the trailer is tracked. It's really not worth it.
     
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  11. Jul 5, 2011 #9
    Frenzy

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    Well for me the first thing I would think about is "can I find a safe parking spot at 1am, and will this spot be good for 10 hrs?".
    The next question is "How long will the unload take?"
    A long unload will kill the drive time available because it runs out the 14hr clock. On the other hand, if I'm staying at the receiver for 8 or 10, they can unload the trailer while I'm in the sleeper. I've never had a problem showing a 30min unload/pretrip for time.

    Then I would think about what's going to happen when I get back. If I can get back, find a 2 hour break, then pick up a load, I should have about 7 drive hours available for it. That would be almost enough to do the same run again.

    I've had a similar run between Summner and Spokane WA. It's about 275 miles, about 5.5 getting there and 5.25 getting back. I time it so I get into the reciever about 10pm, get 8hrs, unload at 6. Head back 5.25hrs, take a 2 hr break, drop and hook, rinse and repeat. About 12.5 hrs per day. Good miles, but you beat yourself hard by the end of the week.

    If it were me, I'd do 8 at the customer and leave at 6:30 ish. Cruise back to the terminal (or whatever) and get there about 11, have a 2hr lunch and nap, and roll the next load, and hope they don't string me out.
     
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  12. Jul 5, 2011 #10
    BridgettAnn

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    Yes. Thank you. There is just no reason to not take the break. he cant run again until he takes the 10 hours no matter how you look at it.
    ~BridgettAnn
     
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