That holds true for many. But I've hauled plenty of stuff right off the tree or vine. It would would take 2-3 days of your trip to chill to temp.
Another point not covered, loads like that, it's not uncommon to lose 600-800 lbs to evaporation across the trip. Good to know if you are running heavy.
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Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Big Jay, Jul 31, 2011.
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Broccoli anyone?

As for the poster talking about being required to keep running. Yes, they can make it rough on you. But remember, YOU are the one who is out there with their arse on the line. YOU make the decision to run or not to. Just remember, if your decision is no, you had better be able to document a darn good reason, or you will be looking for a job. -
Produce is fun, hard and a learning experience! Me? I just like pulling a reefer. Pays a little better for certain loads.
With the big box stores out there now and large grocery chains you might be dealing with one broker and his buyer.
The buyer is the guy that might meet you at several if not all of you pick ups. He's the one who will decide on which pallets he wants for his customer.
Because you are a "new" driver ask this guy many questions. He is the one besides a driver with years of experience that can show you what good produce looks like.
Yes believe it or not there are some unscrupulous shippers out there with the loaders helping them. These shippers will watch you the driver to see how you work the dock.
Working the dock?
Yes. Do you stand there just watching the load go in the trailer? OR are you standing there with your pulp thermometer, a note pad writing down the numbers of temps and count and sticking at least 2 boxes on each pallet and looking at all 4 sides of a wrapped pallet looking for damaged boxes?
When you pulp are you pulling a top box off and pulping down a layer in the pallet? Why? Because if the pallet was run through the chiller/refrigerators/freezers the outside layers might be at the proper temps but those inside are way warmer than what the buyer and broker not to mention the receiver wants.
Ask the buyer what GOOD produce looks like. Like strawberries, or potatoes, carrots and many different types of melons. Do not be afraid to pick a grape or two for a taste test. The same with apples, oranges and other fruit. Is fruit hard, soft or mushy? Some shippers I would not trust them loading a full load of good freight without trying to clean the docks of trash!
You saw the post about keeping the air flow going and using continuous on the unit?
Reason is if the unit is not running in continuous mode then when the unit shuts down for a few minutes (to save fuel) when it comes back on it runs colder so it will bring the temp back down. The "colder" air might be below freezing and as this colder air runs across your load it can actually freeze parts of the load and even turn some produce into mush! Not to many dock foremen will take frozen or mushed produce. A tattletale recorder will note the differences in the temps and can cost you in the long run.
Use a pulp thermometer that you have to stick INTO the fruit or vegetable to get a temperature from inside the product. Those infrared types that you point and click are just fine to see what the temp is on the skin but what is the inside doing? I never trust any shipper that points the infrared thermometer at their product. They are maybe the one trying to clear out the freezers and unload a bad load on a driver. Yeah the skin looks great! But the worm in the middle of the apple is nice and warm!
Trailer:
Do not think because it's running that the engine oil is good. Those engines can take abuse better than your tractor engine but having one fail with a high dollar load of produce or meat or ice cream is not going to make for a fun day! The same time you check your trucks engine oil, fluids and belts you should be doing the same thing with that T.K. or Carrier unit! Yes turn it off let it set for a minute or so then check the oil, belts and freon and turn it back on.
Keep it clean inside! If there is just a little bit of doubt in your mind it's not clean go get it washed out! Nothing like having to go find a wash out in BFE and they don't like the floor!
Defrost! Yes do not rely on the auto defrost. Every time you walk by the unit hit the manual defrost button. Then after hitting it and doing whatever you were doing go look to see how much water came out of the drain hoses.
FYI: When pre cooling a dirty unit trash such as small pieces of wood from pallets, paper, plastic and whatever gets blown up and into the condenser tray which then drain out through the drain hoses. Those are found coming out of the unit and down the front of the trailer.
If you have just loaded a load and closed the doors and the loaded has verified that the seal is good hit the manual defrost and stand there and watch for water to flow out heavily. One reason to defrost as soon as loaded is the moisture in the box if it stays in there will make your boxes get damp and collapse which can damage produce and also make a fun mess to clean up! Re stacking pallets of 20-50 pound boxes in the trailer is not is highly overrated.
If no water comes out of those hoses look at the drain holes in the four corners of the trailer. If water is flowing from them and it's not a "wet" load the tubes are stopped up.
Easy fix!: Got the gloves on? Good. Shake and pound on the drain hoses from the top where they come out of the unit. Look at the end and watch dirt and junk fall out of it. You might even see a thin piece of wood start to poke out. but keep pounding it and shaking it and even run a coat hangar up in it but sooner or later the water will flow out of those hoses. I've even pulled tie wraps out of them!
Just remember when you hit defrost and you don't get water out of the hoses but it starts to run from the drain hoses it's time to clean the hoses because you want to remove the moisture from the box NOT add more when the tray overflows into the box!
I always when getting out of the trailer hit the manual defrost!
Another tip: Do not rely on the digital reading on the screen or the gauges of older equipment for the "pulp" temp readings! I carried two types of thermometers. 1 is my trusty pointy ended hand held thermometer and the other was a round freezer thermometer that I hand in the trailer inspection door. I hang it on the inside of the trailer to the screen if there is any or hang it somehow using duct tape and coat hangers so all I have to do is open the door, take a quick look and then to look at how the load is sitting then close the door as quick as possible to keep from losing to much cold air and to keep moisture out of the box.
What if the trailer has no inspection door and yep some are speced without them.
Look at the bottom of where both doors latch. Just stick the thermometer into the crack into the trailer and let it do it's magic. That's what we call "pulping the load in transit" This is what we used to call into dispatch and what was used to CYA in case of somehow delivering a "hot" load. This is where NOT pulling a case or two off of pallets and checking the inner cases for proper temperatures is a bad deal for you the driver! I have had more than one load start to get loaded hot by the shipper to have you the driver act as a refrigerator to cool his load. Yep they think because that unit has a -20 setting it'll cool the load before you get to the receiver. OH it will if they want it next week and not tomorrow! I've even had Tyson and Excel (Meat) do that to me.
If you are NOT allowed on the dock call dispatch and tell them! If I get the "not allowed on the dock" line I tell them that I WILL be signing SLC (shipper load and count) I do NOT pick up any load that I can not pulp as it's being loaded unless it's a drop and hook and that's covered by your dispatch in the message so I'm covered. Usually when you tell a shipping clerk that's what you'll have to do because if they refuse to allow you on the dock they either will allow you on or allow you to sign SLC. BUT sometimes they actually will tell you that you will NOT sign SLC! I let dispatch decide what to do! (this also applies for dry loads!) If dispatch tells me to pull out I will but I want that confirmation on Qualcomm, People net or as a text on my cell! I just do NOT pay for product and especially if I can't sell it at OSD prices at the truck stop or a charity!
There are a few tips for now! Enjoy pulling a reefer! At least you can haul 2 types of loads. Cold or dry! No reason to sit long waiting for a load!Mark Kling, JohnBoy, zebcohobo and 11 others Thank this. -
Wow, what great input! Thanks to all. I should have added that I have pulled nothing but reefer in my career. Hauled some produce but had heard horror stories about lettuce especially and if I dont know the answer I ask it. I have hauled(like most on here) literally everything from soup to nuts, however not much of the green stuff.
I sure appreciate the advice given here and would like to comment this forum on the thoughfulness, time committment and quality of posts offered up by its members. If ever I have something to chime in with you will see me. After five years of doing this I still have alot to learn and will be much more likely to ask questions.
Thank you,
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I was going to ask if there was a "bible" printed somewhere about produce hauling but I will print Rollovers post off instead. Thanks.
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If there is a bible of refrigerated freight movers I haven't seen it!
-The bad thing is that's not all! I got tired and gave up! But this should make up for what I didn't get into!
-Like what to have and do if you let the unit run out of fuel!
-An inexpensive wire to have for in case a battery goes dead. Jumper cables anyone?
-How to secure the doors/
-Just how many load locks are needed!
-How to use pallets as a single pallet support device!
-Should you have spare corks in the tool box. Yes, I wrote CORKS not the other thing that sounds like that word!
Im bored again so its time to write a little bit for you guys1
Ill start with something thats going to cost you a scale ticket out of your pocket!
Fuel your new truck all the way in all three tanks if you have that many! First thing is diesel fuel weighs exactly 7.3 pounds per gallon. Not 8 which is the rounded off number which many drivers take as their figure when figuring out a tight fuel, weight, distance problem. Knowing the exact weight is that important! I have yet to see the weight of low sulfur which should be a tad bit lighter but stick with the 7.3. It may be heavier in colder weather but after the tank has run through the lines to the engine it will warm back down to the 7.3 weight. Weigh the truck and trailer full of fuel and with you and what you need in the cab. You now have the complete tare weight or the empty weight of the truck.
Now what to have in case you let the unit run out of fuel.
I know you have all seen those air lines that hook to a glad hand for in case you have a tire going down. That is a very important tool to have as it will save you a lot of time waiting for a service truck.
Go to a NAPA store or an auto parts store and get you a set of quick release air fittings. And get a few extra of the male ends to match. Put a male end on the end with the air chuck and the single female on the air line. Go to a tire shop and get a LONG valve stem that will fit a trucks inside tire. Go find a tennis ball. Drill a hole smaller than the outside dimension of the tire stem and then push the stem into and through the ball. You can glue it if you want.
If your company didnt instruct you on how to prime the units engine you will need to find out as it is a lot harder to explain with noting to point at so believe me when you learn how to masturbate your unit youll never have to use your ball! Yes, when masturbating a unit thats what you look like standing on the cat walk up to your shoulders in the unit!
Ask the shop which nut (? Oh this is going X-rated real fast!) or bolt you need to loosen to let the air out of the injector system before you start either pumping or blowing the system. Yeah its getting to become a porn post!
OK. You ran the unit out of fuel. Grab your wrench and open the doors to the unit and loosen the nut/bolt. Grab your air line and put the air chuck on it and bring the ball with you. You just filled the unit with fuel and now you have the air line hooked up and now place the tennis ball in the filler neck of the reefer with the tip pointing out. If you have someone helping have them stand on the cat walk watching the loosened nut so when he sees fuel he can tell you to stop. Put the air chuck on the valve stem in the filler neck and blow air into the tank until the helper tells you to stop. Take a few seconds before you do so that fuel makes it to the injectors.
Put the cap back on the tank and tighten the nut on the unit and flip the power switch or do what you have to do depending on how old the thing is! Your unit should start. It might cough and shake a bit if any air is left in the system but you just saved your arm the experience of pumping that little 2 primer pump! If you ever let a reefer run out of fuel again you deserve to have to pump it!
That was fun wasnt it? Next in that list:
Either your unit or your tractor has a dead battery! Not fun but this is one reason I like pulling a reefer. Not every battery will die. The next time you at=re at a commercial construction zone and the electricians are doing their thing as one if you might be able to have about 20 of 3 gauge outlet wire. Next go back to your NAPA Auto parts store and get two 2 or 3 long alligator clips. You want the ones that if you were to open one and put it on your finger or other body part it will take that part off of your body! Attach your clips to each end of your wire. If your tractor wont start or your unit also just hook this new tool to a positive post on the units battery and on your tractors battery. If the tractor is the one needing help it will take a while for it to start unless you also have a 20 long 2 or 3 gauge jumper cable also found at your NAPA auto parts store.
Jump start the truck or unit but leave the new tool hooked incase there is a bad alternator and this will allow you to drive and have the needed electricity for lights, gauges and whatever until you can get to the shop. Its cheaper to use the wire connected between truck and trailer instead of your jumper cables.
I can hear some of you asking why just one wire? You dont need the negative cable because the 5th wheel makes you ground connect ion between the tractor and trailer. When doing a jump with your jumper cables then go ahead and use both clamps.
The best trailer lock ever!
While at that NAPA store pick up a pack of 9/16 x 1 ½ or 2 bolts and a handful, of nuts and washers. Make it 2 nuts for each bolt. The bolts should NOT have a shoulder. (that part that has no threads.)
Most thieves carry a bold cutter to remove locks but 99.99% of them do not carry 2- 9/16 inch combination wrenches. Did you just think of something else to buy while at that NAPA? Thats right 2- 9/16 combination wrenches for the tool box!
If the shipper only used a metal or plastic seal youre ok. Anything bigger youll need the pad lock!
Instead of an easy to cut pad lock take to the back of the trailer your wrenches, 1 bolt 2 nuts and a washer. Put your bolt into the holes on the latch. Put a washer and the first nut on and tighten it up till you cant turn it anymore then add the second nut and jam it against the first nut. If the thief is built like Hulk Hogan they are not going to cut a 9/16 bolt or actually the nuts with a bolt cutter. Cut it off with a grinder yes, but with brute force not in this century! You can add the spanner lock on the latch rods for a little added protection.
OK class! Load locks? Fill the load lock holder behind the cab. Thats usually 4 and about as many as you might need. I do not recommend laying them across the back between the fairings as it can start to bend them and if its a company truck you might have to pay for that repair! Besides to many load locks and someone might come along who likes them more than you do!
Pallets as a load lock???
You have a single pallet and it can tip over in a hard turn or if you fail to defrost the unit and a box collapses on the bottom.
You need 3 empty pallets. Ask the dock guy for them but they dont have to be good ones.
Stand two against the loaded pallet. And the third one put one end into the corner of the wall and floor and lay it down against the two pallets against the pallet of whatever and push it down until it is stuck between boards on the standing pallet. This will keep that one stand alone pallet from falling to the side unless you drive like an idiot then all bets are off! NOTE: This works fine for a pallet at the tail of the load. Not so much for a centered pallet in the middle of the trailer. Now that was easy!
OK I know you have gone nuts wanting to know about corks! There is a drain in each corner of your reefer. They are there to let the melting ice or any other liquid to pour out BUT when hauling those -0 degree loads cold air pours out of those holes and lets hot air back in and in extreme heat that hot air coming in through those holes can warm up the pallets in those four corners! Most newer trailers have this nice plastic tubes that are squeezed together and only lets liquids flow down and out but keeps air in check.
For those trailers with just the holes or those open tubes you need corks or something to block those holes. Go to the nearest trailer dealership and ask for at least 4 corks. These are yours so if you haul the same trailer around its a small expense to pay for not having to stand on a receivers dock as he pulps that load and then loads product back due to hot temps. It will also save you a major pain if the recorder is close to a hole and records an awful lot of high temps. This is a COVER YOUR ARSE idem! When empty and you have washed out the trailer and as it drains and is pre cooling put one in each corner and thats done! Dont forget to take them with you if you drop your empty.
Hopefully this adds a little more to your knowledge of the wonderful world of reefers!
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Thanks for that Rollover. That's the kind of advice you won't find in a manual anywhere. Those two posts should be stickyed. Thanks again. Can I have your permission to print them out? Don't want to be sued for plagurism.
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I wrote a better post than either of Rollover's... but then the Internet ate it.

Seriously, really good stuff.
The only things I'll add is that I carried a shop broom with long bristles and a wooden handle and I swept the trailer out after every load. The long bristles let you get the floor cleaner as the reefer floor is ridged to allow for air-flow under the pallets. Also, the handle was a perfect fit for the drains, which I also cleaned out after every load... surprising how much junk accumulates in them even when you have a very clean load.
When hooking to the trailer for the first time give the engine a thorough going-over and then run the reefer. Run any diagnostics programs it has (in addition to checking the unit, it will also show any fault codes that have come up) as well as heat, cool and defrost cycles long enough to verify that it is doing what it is supposed to. Yes it takes a little time and burns a little fuel, but it is a heck of a lot better to find out if there is a problem now rather than after you are loaded. No matter how urgent it is to get to the load, always go through this process when you hook up the first time.trucker_101 Thanks this. -
This is good stuff...Thank you
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I didn't read all the post, but just in case someone missed it, use your jakes as much as possible. Ya never know when your gonna need the real ones.
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