ECOTAZ ECO Fuelsystems Fuel Enhancers - Does it work?

Well the naysayers were bound to show up. We read your posts and appreciate your opinions but not necessarily your negative attitudes. Your experience levels in the trucking industry are astounding.

IIRC, the controlled tests that you are seeking are available if you wish to do a little research.

I personally prefer unbiased real-world tests by reputable forum members to the tests that both of you seek.

Obviously you two only read part of a thread, which is a big pet peeve of mine. If you had read the entire thread you would be aware that these forum members were given free of charge these devices for testing so they haven't been had. This action by the vendor really got my attention. It was a very risky action on his part.

Now I suggest we don't get in length measuring contests with the non-believers so our informative thread doesn't get closed down.

By the way I have no affiliation with the vendor but respect his methods greatly and his faith in his device. I also respect the half a dozen or so members that agreed to take receipt of the device and post their results.


It is interesting that bias was mentioned. We are talking about truck drivers here and I can assure you that most of them did not believe the device would work. Some even posted their negative sentiment in this thread. Still not a single driver showed results that did not include at least a small gain in MPG.


On a final note a point worth mentioning. Several of the drivers have noticed a difference in power. This not only makes a positive statement for the device but also for these drivers. There are still drivers out there that fell and hear what their equipment tells them. This is the big difference between a steering wheel holder and a professional driver.

The tests in controlled environments are available but mean much less to me than the real world results provided by our own TTR Forum members that show consistent gains in both fuel mileage and power.

 

I'm still waiting for the SAE test results.

 

Personal attacks not withstanding.......

He claims his device works equally well on vehicles other than trucks.

Also, I don't believe that being a trucker is a prerequisite to being skeptical.

I've reviewed the "studies" and they are at the very least - unimpressive.

 

I was not offended as much as laughing at your skepticism. I have tested other devices seen worse performance and some that by the spread sheet show slight improvement. I would agree 100% on what you are saying on the slight improvement. So many variables. But if it was "driver bias" then I would think that I would have seen similar improvements on the junk.

But the improvement that I have seen is dramatic. I know I can change my driving habits to get these level of increases. Because I had made those changes before installing this. Progressive shifting, average in the low 60's on speed, slow out of parking lots, no cruise.

So while controlled tests have their place. The real world is messy and out of control. Extended testing over time in the real world will tell the tail. As of now, my results could only be accounted for always driving with a tail wind or not understanding how to do math. There is no way that could have changed my driving habits on this level to get these results.

Additionally, I have driven the same hills and grades enough times grossed out to know what gear I will be in and what speed I will be at. In all cases I am in a higher gear. Can't change driving habits (unless you stated as a idiot and not discounting that) to get those results.

 

SAE specifications are valid. Testing is a paid for test and I have yet to hear of a "failed" test. The testing program is a profit center. Unbiased testing would be the only valid testing I would care to look at.

And as I consider myself one of those unbiased testers, we will see how a years worth of results pans out.

 

No offense - but testing bias isn't something you would generally be able to identify from the viewpoint of a tester/test subject.

 

Problem is - "real-world" test aren't unbiased

Read the whole thing - have followed it from the start. The fact that the devices were given out may or may not impact test bias. We aren't talking about something that is intentional when we refer to bias. Bias as it relates to testing is often not only unintentional on behalf of the evaluators behalf, but imperceptible as well.

You set the tone with your post.

We're framing things in terms of science - you're framing theme in terms of emotion.

I had no reason to believe otherwise until your rather slanted rhetoric suggested otherwise.

 

My apologies - no personal attack intended and I don’t believe it will be considered one by the moderators. It was purely a comment about information being offered by those without industry experience. Still I apologize if you took it personal and for the obvious sarcasm! This is the Owner Operators section and not the other vehicles section.

This thread is about the real world performance of this device. Being a CDL driver would be an important prerequisite to real world testing and evaluation in this particular instance. You are correct; I do not believe there is any prerequisite needed to be skeptical. Skepticism is widely practiced by many with absolutely no qualifications. It is quite easy to be subjective and/or negative; the true test of one’s character is how objective they can be in presenting the facts without bias.

 

Character issues notwithstanding; all of the observations presented thus far are subjective.

To clarify; subjectivity and negativity are not synonymous as you have suggested.

 

You misunderstood; I didn't suggest they were synonymous. I was suggesting they are both much easier to find in human nature than their counterparts.

Thank you. I agree to disagree. You take the science to the lab and we'll take the fuel savings to the bank.