Hauling sand

If you will take the time to read all these threads you will have a good feel for what trucks and drivers are paid in both ND and TX. They also contain many company names too. Unfortunately I have not seen nearly as much information about PA.

http://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckingindustryforum/trucking-jobs/87919-jobs-in-nd-oil-patch.html

http://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckingindustryforum/trucking-jobs/38092-great-jobs-in-texas.html

http://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckingindustryforum/trucking-jobs/118320-so-you want-haul-crude-oil.html

http://www.thetruckersreport.com/truckingindustryforum/trucking-jobs/147750-why-so-hard-get-out-state.html

The Job Service websites for these areas and Craig's List will also provide a wealth of information on wages. To find out what trucks are making you will need to have some contracts sent to you by companies hiring trucks.

There are a couple of newer threads too. You can probably find these with a site search for "oilfield" or "sand".

I have done a lot of research on both driver and truck rates in both TX and ND. I am no expert and truck rates are harder to get than driver rates. I have tried to look at water, dump, crude and sand. I have little to no information on sand. I'll share my findings with you.

I haven't found any work that you don't have to have a trailer for as none of the companies furnish a trailer. It is hard to impossible to find a crude or sand trailer. Those you find are over-priced as demand has far exceeded supply. It is nearly impossible to find one that is new enough to finance without paying new price for it. Most new trailers are several months out from delivery and if you don't put a deposit on them, I doubt you will acquire one. Dump trailers are selling above value but still available. There are a few lease possibilities if you look hard. Water trailers are more readily available but that is because they have pulled every piece of junk they can find from their resting place in some field. You can find 1967 - 1987 models for sale and they are cheaper but would require cash.

As for trucks on the job, I am starting to hear that supply has finally out-paced demand and rates are being affected in ND. In addition, a dump job in Devil's Lake seems to not be paying the truck operators. I don't know if you are aware but many jobs don't get the first check for 30 - 60 days before they start coming on a regular basis. Many with big plans have been put out of business for lack of operating capital. A person needs about $16,000 - $18,000 to pay wages on one truck running 24/7 before getting their first payment if it is 30 days. You can figure an amount equal to or 20% more than that for fuel and repairs for a month. Don't get me wrong, if I had a truck and trailer and $20,000 I would do it in a minute and run the truck myself until I had the cash to take on another driver.

The truck rates depend on location, trailer type and the company leased to. I have heard from $88 - $160 per hour. Most are about $100 - $125 per hour.

Driver wages vary by location and are about 25% more in ND than TX. Some pay by the hour with overtime and some pay percentage with a strait rate without regard to the number of hours. Many of the bigger companies are working the drivers 50 - 60 hours at an hourly rate with daily stipends or per diem of up to $40. Many smaller companies are working drivers 70 - 84 hours on percentage.

In TX I see hourly rates from $16 - $19 per hour with OT and other stipends or percentages of 20 - 22%. I believe a driver can earn $55,000 - $80,000 gross.

In ND I see hourly rates from $20 - $25 per hour with OT and other stipends or percentages from 22 - 28%. I believe a driver can earn $70,000 - $100,000 gross.

There is some housing provided in both areas but more in ND. At least two of the truck contracts from ND that I examined offered room and board as part of the contract. The cost was $2 per hour from the truck rate. They both included FEMA trailers from the Gulf and a mess hall. On one of these contracts I found out that the FEMA trailers had been remodeled. They had a kitchen, washer/dryer and five separate rooms for drivers with one driver per room and included utilities.

Again I am no expert on anything but just offer information from my research. Some of this is fact and some is information calculated from samplings I got from job postings. If anyone has better facts, please share them with us.

 

paul

im from pa and its alot harder around here for owner ops hualing than it is out in ND or even texas , i must have talked to atleast 20 people who went out there from pa . even i went out to williston the past few days to prospect with a company that huals water and seriously thinking about putting a pump on my truck and heading out . but its not something i would recommend unless you know what it entails . while i was out there i got offered a job as a mechanic for one of the large companys , told them i had a truck and wanted to work it and they said they will put a driver in it but need me in the shop .... crazy situation .... im trying to make up my mind and go out also .

if you want to find companys highering look at the shopper in williston {just google it}

 

also , the money is there , but right now it is slow out there , i seen alot of trucks just sitting the past few days ... the company i was talking to said they are very slow , he said it was mainly becuase of the end of the fiscal year for the oil companys , he also suggested there are to many #### truckers out there undercutting the prices alot so its making it a bit harder .....