I think this truck qualifies as spec'd out.

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by 1973w900a, Oct 15, 2011.

  1. georgeandson

    georgeandson Heavy Load Member

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    That would have to be a massive nut to crack every month. I would love to see his spread sheet for expenses and income and profit LOL . I feel so poor right now LOLOLOLOL
     
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  3. Jfaulk99

    Jfaulk99 Road Train Member

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    Huh? You'd better read that again. They started receiving payments under that name (in the link you posted) in 2004 and continued until the record ends for 2010
    Direct payments:
    2004 $139,272
    2005 $152,792
    2006 $149,816
    2007 $157,539
    2008 $156,706
    2009 $151,184
    2010 $133,736
    And these are just one of the payments, they don't include categories like Loan Deficiency, Counter Cyclical Payment, 2008 Farm Bill ect.

    My point is get rid of the subsides, period! Just like every other business if you can't make it without a hand out then get out of the way because someone can! We did, we used to be one of the only grain brokers in the area and operated 9 trucks. Since then we branched out, started and sold a lumberyard. Moved to hauling other products and got rid of some trucks. I have a friend who's family have been produce farmers for generations. They've done it very successfully and are big proponents against subsides. Believe it or not the market does a very good job of keeping food prices low, injecting the government in a free market NEVER does this.

    It's called farm welfare and I guess I have a different view of welfare. To me it's not something to flaunt with $100,000+ pulling tractors. I'm not jealous of the farmers, why would anyone be jealous of someone living on the public nipple? I guess "working the system" is OK as long as your wearing a "Pioneer Seed" hat? Do you say the same thing when you stand behind someone at the grocery store buying food with food stamps and using they're cash for cigarettes, beer and chips, or maybe a pulling tractor? They're working the system too!:biggrin_2559:

    That's where your wrong. I want MY OWN MONEY, in the form of lower taxes. If they would stop giving it away to people who apparently don't need it I would get to keep what I earn.

    They were there for a reason but as most government programs it's being abused.

    If your a few payments away from losing it all and spending 20k on an injection pump and 10k each for turbos for a "hobby tractor" then you deserve to lose it all. If I go out and buy a $200,000 sports car and lose my house are you going to feel sorry for me? I certainly hope not.

    I love milk and I love cheese but I can't wrap my head around why anyone would want to be a dairy farmer, 7 day a week job for low pay. I appreciate all you do but if the government would get the hell out of the way the market would determine the price. Works for almost every other product.

    Hate to tell you but it's like that for every business. I still have to pay $2k+ for tags per truck, insurance, truck/trailer payments if they're are any. Just because the truck isn't moving and burning fuel I still have expenses. Worse yet I had to order over $10,000 worth of tires because they're extremely hard to get now, I ordered a new trailer in the spring when I was too busy to keep up with my current equipment ($82,000) which will be here in November and right now things are slow and rates are in the toilet. So don't act like because you have to deal with manure your somehow worse off, we all deal with "crap". It's just some of us have to do it without taxpayer money. I also have a few trucks that are needing replaced with over 800k miles. New ones are in the $140k range but should I gamble and order it or sit back and wait.........We're all in the same boat now lets play on a level playing field.

    Your slightly off with your facts but not by much. It's not the easiest job, it's the most boring job which is why I don't do it. The pit operator doesn't open our hopper doors, we put air cylinders on them with video cameras so the driver dumps via video and switch. They also have a camera on top and air scales so you load without even getting out to see how much is on. Also the trailers have 80" sides so you don't tarp unless it's raining. All done without a dime of tax money.:biggrin_25522::biggrin_2559:
     
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  4. PaidByThePound

    PaidByThePound Bobtail Member

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    farmer or not u have to laugh at this... why are farmers burried 3' under and not 6'?
     
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  5. kwforage

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    Why?



    FYI - graves aren't 6' deep. I used to dig for a local cemetary. Closer to 4.5'.
     
  6. PaidByThePound

    PaidByThePound Bobtail Member

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    so they can still get their hand out!
     
  7. PaidByThePound

    PaidByThePound Bobtail Member

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    ive grown up farmin and truckin my whole life and even i see the humor i that! lol
     
  8. Jfaulk99

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    I don't want anyone to think I'm anti-farmer. A good portion of my family are either farmers or works in the business. My issue is with government handouts, just like unions they had they're purpose and have out lived it. Stop giving my money away to people who obviously don't need it. The term "poor farmer" is laughable around here. In fact there is a campsite near here called "poor farmers" and the owners have 2 small helicopters.:biggrin_25523:
     
  9. 1973w900a

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    Disclaimer, in my previous post I may have come off pro subsidary and defense against you, my apologies, im a neutral on the topic and have opinions both ways. The reason i get defensive and riled up is because i constantly listen to people talk down about all farmers, how they dont work, they really don't have a hard life etc. etc. because of the people who don't like the subsidiaries. I then offer those people a job and they wont do it. They wont come milk cows for $9 and hour, and if they would, they wont show up, they're late all the time etc. And then peopl wonder why the migrants are taking their jobs, plain and simple, its because many Americans do not want to work any harder than they have to anymore and if they do work they think they deserve gold.

    That is for Boyd Grain Farms. The pullers are Boyd and sons, looking between the websites I dont see a direct connection between to two as neither mentions the owners of either operation, but it is kind of interesting how boyd and sons got negative subsidaries in 04 then another 145,000 in 2005 and then havent gotten any since then. I looked under the main owners names and they havent gotten anything once the business started getting it, and now nobody there is getting it, so im assuming maybe its under something else.

    Im with you there 100%. With our farm being a large operation based on equity versus cash flow, we can sustain ourselves through the hard times. Those who cant will go out of business and those who were able to pull through will be rewarded with increased prices due to less on the market. Once prices get really high (like corn did last year) then everybody will want to do it to make money and then it will drop (like this year).

    I think if the governement completely pulled out it would be fine, its not like all farmers are going to quit if they loose their subsidaries, they will still be there.

    Now I want you to understand how little this subsidaries actually add up at the end of the year. Take a farm like ours, just an 800 cow operation our gross profits last year were over $4 million. Thats gross though. Add expenses and such and we made maybe $10 (joke). Our subsidaries were a little over $23,000. But we are dairy farmers and dont sell much grain.


    What im saying is at the end of the day its like getting a fruit cake for christmas, sure every little bit counts, but $23,000 wont even put new tires on our manure tanker.

    Ill agree with you too. Im not for working the system at all when it comes to subsidiaries.

    However i would bet you the guys with pulling tractors would have them with our without their subsidiary.

    I turn wrench's on one for a buddy of mine. I like it because its his checkbook.

    We all wan't our own money.

    Fun fact of the day. 10% of our milk check gets taken out before we get it and goes to the Milk marketing board, and what do they do with it? come up with a slogan every once and awhile. Ask most of the dairy farmers, they really don't feel the millions that go to the Milk marketing board get used wisely, but its the law.

    Those people are my favorite, enough pullers home farms are dumps, and their animals are in poor health.

    The grand national guys rarely have animals, never home enough.

    Thank you. Its not too bad to do. As long as you keep the farm expanding like we did, then everybody has a place. I sit in the shop all day and couldn't tell you what our rolling herd average even is unless i looked it up. Expansion and micro-management is key.

    We now sometimes have weekends off, not too often still , but we can take vacations and such. That was my families goal, they grew up with no vacations and didn't want that.

    When the prices were in the tank for us, no equipment got upgraded, nothing was bought, and we fed the cows whatever we could get cheap we were actually feeding them bedding as filler.

    Like I said, we didnt upgrade anything, and fortunately it all squeeked by and this year we could.

    Its ridiculous what farm equipment is costing now. You say your new truck is $140,000, our new manure tanker was $90,000 and all that is , is a tank with wheels. The tires on it were $4,000 each.

    Our self propelled chopper costs over $450,000 and its not even the big one. Thats a lot of money for something that runs only 500 hours per year.

    The differences Im getting at are, if you parked all of your trucks, you would still have payments insurance etc. However you would not still have to continue buying feed, power, fuel, and supplies for milking the cows.

    Of course that huge $23,000 check we got will cover all of that right? Last bill I looked at for feed was over $90,000 for a months worth of feed, and thats just some calf mixes and protein blends. The rest we produce ourselves.

    I think they're different, you dont and thats fine.


    Bottom line is im not trying to get into a dick swinging contest, just showing you some of our expenses as you showed me yours, not trying to say whos better or not.

    Same reason i don't do it, very boring.


    Ill agree with you there.

    Except on the helicopter part. They are actually the most efficient way to scout crops when you have a large land base.

    Theres a hay broker out west that uses one to fly his clients to the field where the hay they are thinking about buying is located so they can decide if they want it or not.
     
  10. Tank33

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    In all honesty, that is a bit excessive. Even if you live on the road all year round with your spouse, I would still order a smaller sleeper than that.

    If it was me, I would have kept the sleeper down to 120'' or so. You have to assume that at some point in your finance term, you will either lose your contract or have to sell the truck for some reason or another. It is hard to sell a truck of that size because no one wants O/O's with heavy trucks anymore, not to mention, that's just hard to get around with unless you deliver to the same place every time, something that is dedicated.

    Just think if they had ordered that W900L with the 86'' sleeper from the factory and driven that. They would have made some serious coin to put back in there pockets.

    Big box sleepers look hideous. I know they offer all the comforts of home, but a big square box behind the cab is just so plain. I prefer factory sleepers and than have those modified for a better layout by ICT or any one of those companies.
     
  11. SHC

    SHC Spoiled Rotten Brat O/O

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    For $9 it better come with a set of DD's on a tight, skinny blonde :biggrin_25524:
     
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