Financing Question

Discussion in 'Trucker Taxes and Truck Financing' started by supertruckerporkchop, Oct 30, 2011.

  1. supertruckerporkchop

    supertruckerporkchop Light Load Member

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    Is it possible to get a start up business loan w/ a credit score of 690? I have a friend that wants to buy a truck and let me drive it. We are looking at a trucks in the 25-30k range and trailers between 8k and 15k. Would would also need a little working capitol to keep in the bank for breakdowns /maintance for 3 months or so. Looking for an estimate total loan of like 50-60k

    My credit isn't worthy enough for this but his is a 690. He has a full time job now and his bills are very small. The house and bills are in his wifes name.

    Is this possible? Do we try a lending place from online or a local bank if its possible?

    Just so yall know. We will lease the truck on w/ my broker. Run their authority, fuel. They file and pay ifta provide insurance. Only up front cash we need would be for straps/chains/binders and headboard, and base plating the truck/trailer.

    Any O/O's have some advice on this??
     
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  3. 3500DRW

    3500DRW Light Load Member

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    Even with perfect credit in these economic times a loan in that amount would be hard to get.If you can come up with between $3500.00 to $6000.00 you could try Lone Mountain Truck Leasing.Google LMTL and talk to them,its a start.
     
  4. Allow Me.

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    690 credit isn't anything to write home about......Small business loan lenders want a whole lot more as far as experience and a business plan. But give it a shot.
     
  5. G/MAN

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    More than likely you will need real estate or some other type of collateral other than the equipment to secure the loan. You may be able to get either a home equity loan or commercial loan or line of credit. Most lenders prefer a credit score of over 700 and even then, it could be problematic. Most lenders will want you to have money in the business. If you need to borrow everything, including working capital, to get started, then you need to rethink your decision to get into this business. You should NEVER get into any business without some of your own cash being at risk.

    Lenders will consider your experience in the industry when making a loan for class 8 equipment. If he wants to buy a truck, then it would be much better if he also drove it himself. There just isn't all that much profit for one person to drive and have 2 incomes from a single truck. Many lenders will also want to see some history on a company before offering a line of credit or commercial loan. If he has a personal relationship with a banker, he might be able to get money for the equipment as long as he has a good down payment, but most banks don't like to loan money for class 8 equipment. My guess is that he or you will need from 10-30% down to buy a truck and/or trailer. You should also have sufficient funds on hand to run the business until money comes back into the coffers. If you don't have the resources to cover yourself, then perhaps you should wait until you can get your credit cleaned up and save enough to buy a truck or your friend can save enough for a good down payment and working capital without having to go to the bank.
     
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  6. supertruckerporkchop

    supertruckerporkchop Light Load Member

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    Thank you guys for the feedback! I was curious being that he wants to buy the equipment and have me run it. We'd basically be starting a new LLC as a partnership. He wouldn't draw a "paycheck" from the company until the equipment is paid for. The real catch is what yall mentioned is.......He might possibly be able to get the money, but I'm the one w/ all the experience. I think thats the hardest part for me/him to over come really! I have bad credit and experience, he has no road experience but possible decent credit. What a PAIN in the ###. LOL.

    I completely understand the part of putting up some of your own cash to risk, I'm sure the banks feel much better when something of yours is at risk as well as theirs. Again, was just curious as I haven't even thought about financing since I know I don't have a shot in hell and thought I would get some ppl's opinions. After running my spreadsheet from my experiences on the road, the money is DEF there to make and earn!!! If I/we can overcome the hardest part of getting the truck/trailer then everything will fall into place:)

    Thanks again yall!
     
  7. G/MAN

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    Unless you can pledge other hard assets, such as real estate, I doubt that you will be able to qualify for a line of credit or other financing other than the cost of the equipment. Most lenders will require 10-30% down on capital equipment. From your post, I gather that you plan on getting your own authority? Rates are all over the place right now. Have you run your numbers with lower rates and a sluggish economy? I don't recall your mentioning the type of trailer you plan on using, so I will assume you will pull a van? If you have been in this business for any length of time, you should know that during winter months freight can drop off significantly. Some may only be able to run 1,800-2,200 miles per week during the slow time of year. When I do projections, I usually do an average of 2,500 miles per week for the year. That is usually attainable if you take the annual average. When calculating costs and revenue, I find it better to under estimate revenue and over estimate costs.

    My question is would you be able to finance the equipment if you had to pay the big down payment and still have the funds to keep the business running until the money turned around? If you plan to run your authority you will need to pay the cost of base plates and insurance in addition to the down payment on your equipment. Base plates can run $1,500-2,200/year. 2290 will cost $550. Insurance will likely run somewhere between $6,000-12,000, but could be higher. Your down payment for the equipment you listed will likely be between about $3,500-$15,000. That makes no allowance for working capital. Even if you factor your receivables or use quick pay from brokers, you could need to front a couple of weeks of fuel and expenses on the road.

    Unless you or your friend have some hard cash to put into this deal, I think you will have a difficult time making it work. One of the primary reasons most businesses fail is due to lack of capital.
     
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  8. supertruckerporkchop

    supertruckerporkchop Light Load Member

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    I agree 110% of the last sentence!!!!! As far as running, I would lease on to where I have been in the past in either a step-deck or flatbed. I myself am currently saving to purchase something w/ cash, but that will be a year or 2 till I finally get that cash together. I was just curious as my friend had brought this up to me about the financing n all.

    I did some calling around today and you guys are 100% right! W/O hard assests that are worth double/triple what your asking for......it won't happen!

    Thanks again for the feedback! I don't want to come across as a total rookie in this. I've done the #'s and drove the trucks to know what will profit and what won't and I know (thru trial n error) what I can personally handle, so NO NEED to go jumping in over my head until I have the $$ in the bank!!
     
  9. G/MAN

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    Supertruckerporkchop, I am glad to see that you have pulled back and taken a second look at the situation. It is better to wait and do it right than to jump in too soon and lose your shirt. By the time you get ready to make the leap, the economy may have settled down and things will be a little easier.
     
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  10. supertruckerporkchop

    supertruckerporkchop Light Load Member

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    Gman,

    Yeah, that'll be the day!!! lol. I'm glad to say I've learned ALOT about the industry in my years and have finally figured out what I enjoy, can handle, and can make decent money at. Figures when I find something that works i can't get it down myself. That'll teach me to ruin my credit at a young age:) Ahhhhhh.....life lessons!

    :)
     
  11. chalupa

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    There was one thing that didn't get mentioned. Never pledge personal real estate holdings in the trucking bus. #### good way to lose your home.

    Times are tough and are likely to stay tough through the next election. IMO save your money and keep gathering info. Re-evaluate your position based on the economy and the election results. Trucking will still be here.

    Mind you that's my opinion.
     
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