I have another quick question regarding the injectors. Did you start the engine on Starting Fluid while trying to prime the fuel system?
6NZ low power question
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by magoo, Nov 18, 2011.
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Thats a good point Mr Haney,I did clean the injectors in parts cleaner before i reinstalled them.As far as starting fluid i did not use any to refire the engine.I primed the system with the primer pump with the return fuel line cracked a bit until i got good fuel to return.The engine fired at the first hit of the key when i started it.I did replace one injector out of the six maybe i need to replace the other 5.Thats exactly how the engine is running under load just like it is not getting enough fuel.We did a cutout test yesterday after we took the truck for a ride and everything checkout good.
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Did the engine still sound fine while it was running if all 6 injectors were scored? How would them being scored effect performance of them dramatically? With them being scored it just doesn't allow them to build the proper pressure?
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Think about what you said if they can't build and maintain the proper pressure to open the tip because the fuel is bypassing the plunger flow through the tip will be reduced.Mr. Haney Thanks this.
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I tried this yesterday and the boost ran up to around 25 on the gauge.Truck still feels like it is struggling to build boost.The engine is making 80 lbs of fuel pressure at idle and around 95 running down the road.I have replaced the fuel lines around a month ago and the fuel filters are new.I also stripped the loom off my wiring yesterday on the engine harness and found no rubbed or chaffed wires,the only thing i did find is were the plug goes into the head for the injectors and jakes the plug was filled with oil.I am really starting to pull my hair out with this one and am leaning towards a fuel problem because the engine runs so smooth thru all of this just no power for a 550.At this point i believe an old mack 237 could take it on a pull.
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I should have paid closer attention to your first post. When I posted about the injectors, I was thinking you had the original six injectors. Since you replaced one of them I doubt you have scored the barrels and plungers. One strong injector in the set would cause the engine to run rough. In my post all six injectors were damaged, so the engine ran smooth and would pass an injector cut out test. Once #1 and #2 injector were replaced, the other 4 weren't moving an equal amount of fuel this caused the engine to run very rough at idle and misfire under load.
When you did the cut out test, was the mm of rack travel high? They can be even and pass, but if it takes a large amount of rack travel to do the test then its a possible sign that the injectors aren't flowing the correct volume of fuel -
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2)the fuel bypass the plunger and the pressure doesn't rise at the tip to open it or keep it open for long..........the needle is raised off the seat of the injector tip by the hydraulic pressure created with the plunger coming down into the barrel. If the hydraulic pressure of the fuel can't be raised high enough or be maintained high enough to keep the needle in the raised position once fuel starts exiting the injector tip..........fuel stops flowing into the cylinder, regardless of what the ECM is telling the injector to do.
3)yes
The one thing you have to remember is these injectors are more mechanical than they are electronic. 99.999% of injector failures are in the mechanical portion of the injector, not the electronic portion. The only thing the electronic solenoid and actuator assembly do is to stop the fuel from returning to the fuel galley in the head once the ECM decides it want to fire that injector. The actuator assembly will modulate once the pressure rises inside the injector body above the pressure required to lift the needle from the tip seat, again this is a mechanical function of the injector. This in turn controls the internal pressure inside the injector body and keeps the tip from being blown off from excessive hydraulic pressure of the fuel.
This knowledge and understanding of how an injector functions comes from a person with much experience in rebuilding these injectors........his insight in this area is very valuable, but is highly misunderstood by many in my opinion, unfortunately.HISPEED428 and underpsi Thank this. -
I couldnt tell you if the travel was high or not,at this point in the day i was in the sales office talking to a salesman about trading the truck in.Nothing was said to me about the travel i was just told that they all passed the test.I am going to pull the fuel lines from the filter to the head back off tomorrow after i deliver my load in the morning and make sure there is nothing blocking the lines or filter head.I had a suction line start to come apart about a month before the head went and maybe there is some rubber left in the lines or filter head that broke loose and lodged elsewhere.
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have your wastegate adjusted to 18.9 instead of 18.1
another thing i have done to mine is take a couple of 1/4 inch washers and put them between the wastegate and the wastegate mount . just back the bolts off very carefully and put washers in . you may have to cut the washers out to get them in but it works good i went from 24 to 34 pounds boost and better jake too . it delays the opening of the wastegate it doesnt dump the boost as quick
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