braking the rules? or suck it up?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by sup-r-dave, Mar 6, 2011.

  1. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Training is supposed to be training not a cheap team!


    No snitch huh. Where do you draw the line. Theft, public endangerment, personal endangerment?


    OP. I can not comment on norm as I never had a trainer, but he would know what I thought of im and his practices as I informed the company I would have a different mentor or a different company.

    All that silliness of pictures and pee is for children. Stand up be a man, don't go behind his back. Don't endanger the equipment setting it beyond capacity. That's just about the dumbest #### set of suggestions I have seen on here.




    Good luck
     
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  3. Diesel Dave

    Diesel Dave Last Few of the OUTLAWS

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    That was a good answer..... You had me LMAO !!!!:biggrin_1square7:
     
  4. Logan76

    Logan76 Crusty In Training

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    I second that, just stupidity, if you piss in someones reefer or mess with someones equipment you deserve whatever harm comes your way, confront the guy if it upsets you that much, its called having some backbone....
     
  5. I am medicineman

    I am medicineman Medium Load Member

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    Yeah, and most here saw that I wrestled HARD with the decision to report the truck for almost running down my guys.

    Did I like it??
    NO !!!
    But it was a clear cut situation.
    And I still feel bad about having to do it.

    The OP is disgruntled about little things that he doesn't approve of.
    Not one single LAW has been violated that I saw mentioned.
    Only some "rules".

    He needs to work this out with the guy and get his time in so he can move on.

    It accomplishes NOTHING to try and ruin another man for doing what we all have done at some point or another.... or WILL do at some point.

    And while I do not agree with the "top bunk" being used in motion, I would just climb down and tell him to give me a heads-up from now on.

    Making him stop again so I can have my morning pee (or whatever) would be a good way to show how bad an idea it was to drive off so quickly and without letting me know.
     
  6. groundpounder

    groundpounder Road Train Member

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    This is exactly why I have never and will never train...

    The first time some billy big rigger fresh out of good buddy driving school gets in the truck with his "I have or I was taught a better way" your ### would be standing curb side with your bags in your hand looking for a ride home..
     
  7. ProPilot

    ProPilot Light Load Member

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    Yep. Maximizing your time is one thing. When the trainer is telling you that it's "OK" to bend or break the law when it comes to your logbook, is quite another..

    Again, the "trainer" demonstrating that it's "OK" to drive distracted....

    Yeah, the "trainer" is letting you know that pre-trips/post-trips are immaterial in this CSA 2010 world - after all it's your job on the line, not his....

    Absolutely. Trainers are a PITA. Do the minimum learning and comprehending required because you will do what you want when you get an 80,000 lb combination CV on your own anyway, irregardless if it's the right way or not...

    Oh hell no...don't report an ineffective and worthless POS trainer because you subscribe to some stupid prison-yard ########.....

    RAT THE MF'er OUT - DO IT LOUDLY AND CLEARLY SO HE WON'T ENDANGER ANYONE ELSE ON THE ROAD AGAIN....

    The attitude reflected in this post is indicative of WHY there are so many marginal drivers on the road today...
     
  8. Bazerk Wizz Bang!

    Bazerk Wizz Bang! Medium Load Member

    Killer idea! Your a friggen evil genius, never thought of that one.
    Side note: On the newer Cascadias, on the outside passenger side bottom of windshield there is the fresh air intake and air filter. Big bowl way underneath it with a drain. The filter sits way up. I clean my filter regularly. On these pulling out the air filter and using a jug of your favorite smelly coctail after the fresh air intake filter would be the way to go. Got the nose of a basset hound even light, subtle whatever smells just about kill me.
    Just looked at air filter. Behind the air filter is huge space. Could probably put a couple fresh samon or trout back there. Get a few trout, suckers, squaw fish whatever without gutting them put them in a bread sack with about a half cup of water or so and tie the bread sack tight so no air can get out. Put the sacks in the void behind the cab fresh air filter. The fish will rot and putrefy, that produces a lot of gas, bad smelling gas. This gas after time will explode the bread sack they are in giving a time delay fuse to the fish bomb. The fish should be mostly liquefied so the purification liquid would just prey everywhere in the fresh air intake for the heater/ air conditioning intake for the truck.

    As far as the violence, dealing with it like a man theory, I will for once disagree with that notion. I am prone to violence I have a police record from very long ago that can prove that, and while I dont act upon it most of the time its always right there in my head. So I am all for being a man about it, but there is a time and a place for everything, being a trainee isnt the time or the place. All it would do is prematurly end your carreer forever and end you in jail broke, with no chance of being a trucker. Why you need to improvise, adapt and overcome your violent urges and go for a more subtle approach. What you want to do is make the A-hole trainer pay, but be able to move on.

    You will have to bite the bullet, suck it up its only for a short time. Ruffle your trainers feathers a bit to make him pay for being such an ace and to relieve your anger so its not bottled up and you dont act in a violent fassion and end your career in a jail cell. Very little in this industry is done exactly by the book. The way DOT has everything set up it would be impossible for any trucker to make a nickle trucking if it were all by the book. DOT knows this and uses it like the reasonable cause is used in four wheelers. When they know something is up, and they have lots of experience and training so they do know when something is amiss they hammer the bad trucker, on the small things the rest most will let slide on the petty stuff.
     
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  9. sup-r-dave

    sup-r-dave Bobtail Member

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    well it's been a wile... lots has happened since then. in the end i was in fact lucky to make it out alive. it finally came to an end when my trainer wrapped the trailer around a railroad track switch in Tacoma Washington. after knocking a 5 ton concrete block onto the tracks that was there to protect the switch, tearing out the air lines and brake chamber on the trailer, puncturing both outside tires, bending the track switch and shutting down the line for almost two hours while they brought in a loader to clear the tracks... all wile i was in the top bunk... i thought my time with that idiot was finally over. i felt like i just won the lottery...lol i asked him if he wanted me to get some pictures? after all i didn't want all the railroad guys and cops having all the fun. he told me not to... of coarse i couldn't help myself and did anyways(cover your ###, cover your ###, cover your ###) i thought for sure he was screwed and i was free of him. well after he sent a sat message simply saying he needed road side for a flat tire we proceeded on. he dragged the crippled trailer all the way back to Vancouver... with two caged trailer brakes, exceeding his HOS by about three hours. for the next two weeks he simply ignored all the sat messages to come in and talk to his safety. when i finally got up the nerve to go into the safety office myself they had still not received any information about the incident from the states. all they knew was something had happened. they assumed it was no big deal. i showed the astonished safety the photos i had taken and spilled my guts about what had been going on. this was almost six months of it already. they assured me that i had done the right thing by coming to them. needless to say...two weeks later i was out of a job and that trainer is still working for them... luckily i was waiting around and actually had another job before they gave me my notice. now that i've got almost 120,000mls under my belt and allot more clued into how it all works i'm in my own truck now doing it by myself which is what i should have done in the first place. I made it out of there with a clean abstract and my life... i'm lucky. but it sure was a Y***E DOODLE of a wild ride. FROM NOW ON EVERY MILE I PUT ON IN A TRUCK WILL GO INTO MY POCKET AND NOT SOME INEPT "TRAINER" WHO THINKS JUST BECAUSE HE'S HELD A LICENSE FOR 30 YEARS HE'S SOME HOW ENTITLED TO IT. LIKE A BUDDY TOLD ME ONCE... "LOOK OUT... EXPERIENCED TRUCKER COMING" in the end i believe i did the right thing. i'm sure it had no effect on the companies policies or make the road any safer or even stop it from happening to some other guy but it did get me the hell away from them and prevent me from having to drive team. or in there case... tream. they have since developed a three driver scenario... that sounds like fun doesn't it.
     
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  10. sup-r-dave

    sup-r-dave Bobtail Member

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    thanks for your support on the subject... i couldn't agree with you more. i was absolutely astonished by some of the replies. and i can't help but feel sorry for some of the guys with such bleak outlooks. it's only the way it is because we allow it to be that way... it really is that simple. i just hope that next set of lights coming at me in the night are some one like yours rather than some one who "sucked it up" i guess until you have a bucket full of tickets, an accident sheet as long as your arm and have no more fear or common sense... your not a real trucker. guess i'll just have to be satisfied with making it to the dock on time safely and collecting my pay check.
     
  11. chompi

    chompi Road Train Member

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    Reminds me of a similar situation we went through. You never know who is related to who at these mom and pop trucking companies! Sometimes doesn't matter what a person does or how they drive if they are related to higher ups! Just like yourself we were completely and utterly blown away when we found out the results of our situation! We had a good friend that ran the shop and he then filled us in of the "office situation" and how they were all related somehow and watched each others backs above any and all circumstances. Its amazing the "backwoods" thinking that still goes on to this day!

    One thing about trucking though is look out for "Number 1" and keep your license clean and you can go wherever you want. Do what some other dumb@$$ tells you (who is protected by the good ol' boy system) and end up losing your license and your done!
     
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