Lesson learned

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by peterblt, May 22, 2012.

  1. ramkatral

    ramkatral Heavy Load Member

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    Yup. Antennas mounted at the midline of the vehicle will have a much more even radiation pattern than one mounted on the mirror. Easier to deal with than a cophased antenna system as well.
     
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  3. ghz24

    ghz24 Bobtail Member

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    Co-phased antennas are by nature directional because signals that arrive at both antennas at the same time
    (broadside or forward and backward if the antennas are mounted on the mirrors) are added together
    and signals that arrive at different times/angles are not added because the peaks arrive at different times
    If they arrive far enough out of phase/time they subtract and cancel each other out.
    At ~18 feet apart (for CB freuencies) the signals that arrive from side to side cancel out and leave a deep null

    cophase.JPG


    even at 104 inch separation directionality is evident

    cbdipolepairsep104.JPG

    The more metal the ground plane has toward the direction in question the higher the gain in that direction.
    So for co-phased antennas to counteract the long ground plane of a truck and trailer (and thereby improve omnidirectional gain )they would have to be mounted front and back as side to side mounting would magnify the ground planes lack of symmetry.

    I will agree the return seems to small to bother with co-phasing (on a mobile) I never did.
     
  4. WA4GCH

    WA4GCH Road Train Member

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    YEARS AGO ...

    I cophased 2 1/4 wave wips on 52.525 mhz it never worked out and I went back to a lone wip on the trunk.
    If you go look up the instruction manual for a Hygain 12avq about page 12 has instructions on co-phasing them with diagrams ect ...

    http://www.thiecom.de/pdf/AV-12AVQ.pdf
     
  5. ghz24

    ghz24 Bobtail Member

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    Nice find. Their patterns and results look a lot like the ones I got from modeling. I considered including out of phase feeding in my post but opted for shorter is better.

    I'll have to dissect the "Figure 4 360 Cardioid Arrangement" I have 20+ models of the "super scanner" fed various ways.
     
  6. peterblt

    peterblt Bobtail Member

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    Cant say Im up on all the technical stuff just that In my instance one antenna worked as well as two.Could be that the 3ft peterbilt antenna's were too short or out of tune with eachother I dont know for sure my SWR's were decent.Could be that I went from top-loads to a centerload.A 3ft antenna to a 5ft antenna.Stock coax to rg8x.Too many variables I guess.
     
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