60 series Detroit rebuild question.

my truck is an 03 Detroit, with a million 1 on it. it runs fine, but i am also looking to do some PM work on it, i also do not want to be sitting on the side of the road

i figure if i change the bull gear and some other associated parts, including the oil pump, it should cost about $3,000 and get me another 400,000

some may want to wait until they are stuck on the side of the road, others may want to do a full replacement

to each his own

 

You seem to be the one who thinks they have to be right, not me. Help me understand your way of thinking. How is it smart to pull a perfectly good engine out of a truck and put a new one in its place. Now before you answer go back and read the op's very first post. He said "I'm not having any trouble out the engine" an engine in a later post that he says has "890,000" miles on it. So again I ask you, how is it smart to pull a perfectly good motor out of a truck, throw in a reman, and all the while piss away $20,000+?

 

Agree 100%
Hang on to the money for when you might really need it for something,but that's just me.

 

At that mileage pull the oil and coolant samples, check the bull gear and put your money in your pocket. Out of six 12.7 we have had all went 1.3 at the minimum. Still have one that at a 1.7 is beyond its useful life but still keep it foremergency use on the farm

 

Not sure where you are, but there's a place in Ashland Virginia - Western Branch Diesel that advertises several levels of inframe package deals for the S60. Can't remember the exact prices, but I'm thinking it went from $6K to around $17K for a package that includes a new turbocharger.

 

the information on the levels of overhauls for the S60 engine.

http://www.demanddetroit.com/parts-service/service/programs/stepup.aspx

I noticed now the literature is saying 30K on oil changes now instead of the old 15K.

 

Ah, but there is the rub.... a lot of people think Preventative Maintenance is an oil change and a grease job. That is only a service. PM is understanding the life expectancy of parts and components, and changing them before they break. That is why airplanes don't fall from the sky on a regular basis. Because the airlines, military, etc has well defined life expectancy expectations and Preventative Maintenance programs in place. The operative word here is "Preventative". On my Series 60, it will get a new crankshaft damper between 300,000 and 400,000 miles (a simple very cost effective replacement item that is critical to engine internals), a new bull gear at roughly 700,000 miles, etc, etc, etc. I am sure not going to wait till components break or wear out, especially ones like a damper, that by the time you figure out it is no good, you have probably done a lot of internal damage. And I am sure not going to wait till my air dryer conks out at -25F on the road away from home to fix or replace it. Sometimes it can't be helped, but a maintenance program based around "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is not the best option. It is an option, but not the best one.

So a total engine rebuild or replacement, is not necessarily throwing money away.

 

someone who actually understands a maintenance program.....


It's understanding the service life of the component and either tracking the usage or the wear and replacing it BEFORE catastrophic failure.

But to just replace an engine....

There are extremes to it that are not cost effective.

 

I have an 06 S60 14L. 730K miles on it.

I am currently going with all the sampling that I suggested for now.

Depending on how those come back over the next several samples, it will decide on how I approach the diagnostic stuff.

For now, not likely I will do anything in the next 18-24 months other than the regular scheduled maintenance.

I commend you in taking this approach, but really, give yourself a chance to get your oil sampling in place.

It will take 6-8 samples minimum to see a pattern or anything. That right there is at least 6-9 months depending on how you run.

Unless you show high sample contents, let it be.

I am including my first sample results here so you can see what they will show you.