3406c model trouble

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  1. bean farms

    bean farms Light Load Member

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    well got my injectors tested today by taylor diesel they wasnt holding pressure like they should and wasnt atomizing hardly any so thats that now for the interesting part pulled the head and i have 5 busted pistons now how does one busted 5 pistons at one time id rely like to no the main causes of this because i wasnt drivin the truck win it happened so that leaves me wondering thanks guys
     
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  3. bender

    bender Road Train Member

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    Pistons retaining too much heat from poor injector performance. It didn't just happen over night, it's progressive destruction.
     
  4. puncher

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    When you say busted do you mean falling apart busted or just cracks in the tops of the pistons? Are the liners scarred in those 5 holes? Advanced timing will cause cracked pistons, and as Bender stated holding heat could be the cause of piston damage also, as to much raw fuel dumped into the cylinder can flush the liner of required oil and let the piston gauld to the liner and jerk a piece out of the piston. Pictures?
     
  5. bean farms

    bean farms Light Load Member

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    there cracked threw the top number 6 is the worst one its cracked all the way across and the others are crackt from the outside edge to the middle
     
  6. puncher

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    The cracks you describe are common with advanced timing on a Cat and not unusual. The one piston #6 evidently is cracked all the way through or the liner is scored, the bad nozzles might cause the miss and maybe the smoke, but I don't think it would cause the blowby.
     
  7. Semi Crazy

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    When you say advanced you mean more than 17.5° BTDC for a C model right?

    Re+arded timing will do it too. Some of the Cs were 11, 9, or 8 degrees from the factory for less soot but they all should be set to 17.5. - disregard the timing hole in the pump cam.




    On a side note, I wonder if a bore hole cam would be able to see cracks on the piston top if inserted through the nozzle hole. I think mine's living on borrowed time considering the fires that burned inside when fuel was $1/gallon and I had those big squirters. Black smoke everywhere.
     
  8. puncher

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    Yes a borescope should show the cracks, but make sure to get one with a small enough head, some of the cheaper ones won't go thru the nozzle holes.
     
  9. bean farms

    bean farms Light Load Member

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    seems like 17.5 would be a little high i got the head off mine so its purty easy to see the cracks
     
  10. bean farms

    bean farms Light Load Member

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    does the c models got timming marks on the fly wheel
     
  11. Semi Crazy

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    I did mine by measuring the damper circumference and divide by 360 to get the length of 1 degree. Then I just add what I needed to the factory time and I know how far to turn the crank past the factory setting.

    You need a diagram of the front gears and all to know what you are doing and which way to turn things.
     
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