If anyone here has a truck with a cummins and it has the def or urea fluid same meaning. If you can tell me the pros and cons of your motor. Mileage , reliability etc. on the fence whether to get a glider or ISX these guys building gliders are asking about the same and even more for these non def trucks. I am not asking about DPF motors only the aforementioned. Thank you.
ISX motors with urea or def reliability.
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If you plan on keeping the truck for 10 years get the non-def (6NZ) Cat in a glider. You would have so many options of things to do to help milage, power, reliability. The downside is you will not be able to sell it to anyone who runs to CA so you eliminate half the O/O's from potential sales in a few years. So you would have to keep it long enough to get $150,000 worth of use out of it.
If you insist on Cummins then I think the DEF engine would give you more options for resale if you only plan on keeping it 3-4 years. -
Thanks yeah the 6nz is a nice motor your right , but just real curious how the new ISX reliability is with the urea? I like the idea of a glider but California would be out for resale or running. Which they can kiss my ### we should all drop right at the border if they don't want us to run older trucks or or def only.
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The 2010 epa engine uses less DEF than the 2013. The 2013 engine gets better MPG's than the 2010 engine. The 2013 engine peak toqure has moved down to 1100 rpm on the Cummins engines. This will allow you to run lower rpms and get better fuel mileage. It does take a little bit to get use to. The down side is everything is really expensive on them. You pretty much have to go to a dealer to get it looked at (2013 epa engine now have OBD, this means that you can buy an aftermarket scan tool to look at the fault codes - still slightly expensive). Every person will have a different view on the same items. Mine is that I like the new engines.
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You might want to read the last 1/2 dozen pages of this tread.
.http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...s-isx-diesel-particulate-filter-problems.html
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I'm really looking for 2012 to 2013 model years in a 389. I know the older models had a lot of problems with regening for that matter I used to run a 08 386 that when she ran good she ran like a bull but if it was acting up ,A Complete dog. Problem is a lot of guys would change the setting to off. We always left it on automatic. also it would want to regen at the most inoportune times. It would try before shutting it down to fuel. Company policy is shut truck off to save fuel. So I turned around and said but it needs a regen. Head mechanic said they want it off. Ok no problem. But if its trying then it must need it. I would take it and if it tried I would let it regen leaving it running and it would run like a champ afterwards. The only thing is eventually they deleted the particulate filter and I always have a habit of draining air tanks manually even with an air dryer and I would get a thick oil from the air tanks. Hope to hear from others with Isx motors 2012 and newer. Thank you
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I have a 2013 T800 Kenworth with Cummins ISX CM2250 600. The truck has 84 K with zero problems. It gets about 32 mpg on DEF and about 5.8 mpg on diesel. The DPF does active burns while I'm driving, so far I've never had to do a manual burn while parked. I've heard all kinds of war stories on these motors and the emmission BS, but knock on wood I'm happy with mine

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Good timing , leaving Bordentown NJersey and saw your post. I really appreciate all the input on this. I'm looking at some new trucks and would like to hear about people's own experience with the new def trucks. I too hear lots of "war" stories but no actual facts. Sometimes I think posters hype it up and then look at who posts and they are new. I would never want to see a company like cummins get hurt as they must employ thousands of people , also peterbilt and kw and the rest of the manufacturers who use this power plant get hurt by the negativity. I know in the past they had a lot of problems with it with gets but cat also did too. Ah we'll thanks for the info. Keep it coming and be safe out there!
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Nobody else?
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At the dealership here we see lots of issues with the cm2250 ISX, mostly emissions, egr coolers and valve stem seals etc, lately we are having more come in with engine oil consumption problems.
Alot of guys will take them across the street and have a delete kit put in instead of paying big bucks to fix the emissions system, then they never have any more down time.
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