Log Book Technicality

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by SL Trucker, Feb 28, 2013.

  1. SL Trucker

    SL Trucker Bobtail Member

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    Hey guys,

    I have a quick and hopefully simple question about log books. I work for an event-based organization that rents and uses 26 foot trucks which are driven all over the country by our seasonal summer staff. Before I order about 100 log books for the summer, I just want to make sure I am getting the right kind of book.

    In the past we have used a common and simple log book from Keller, the 701-L version. I was going to order those again for this summer, but I realized it is significantly cheaper to order the 601-LD books. The only difference I can tell is that the 701-L version does NOT have the DVIR, and the 601-LD does. In prior years we have used the 701-L and never given a second thought to not having the DVIR... if we switch over the 601-LD now, will our drivers be required to fill that out? We don't really want to, unless we're required by law to do that.

    We have driven trucks for more than 15 years, but it's always our seasonal event staff driving the trucks, so none of us ever become extremely knowledgeable about this kind of thing, haha. Just trying to abide by the rules, and keep it as simple as possible for our drivers, because none of them are experienced truckers.


    Thanks for your help!
     
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  3. Mark Kling

    Mark Kling Technology Contributor

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    I believe you must preform a DVIR daily on the PTI. (post)
     
  4. rocknroll81

    rocknroll81 Road Train Member

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    I second that, even when renting trucks and more so when useing logs already, even though you are more or less a private carrier setting doing seasonal work i would say that the D.O.T. would want to see a pretrip.
     
  5. t-2000$kw

    t-2000$kw Bobtail Member

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    Pre-trip can be flagged Post-trip has to be full 15 min.
     
  6. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    Here we go again...........
     
  7. Down the road

    Down the road Light Load Member

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    eeesh.......I would strongly suggest you log at least 30 mins for a pretrip and flag the post trip as it can be done in under 15 minutes.

    Otherwise the DOT might call you on it or just be plain PO'd that you think they're dumb enough to believe you did a complete pretrip in under 15minutes.
     
  8. chemsoldier1

    chemsoldier1 Medium Load Member

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    Really? I've been showing a pretrip at 15 minutes for 2 years now. Neither the carrier or any scalehouse I've been inspected at has ever questioned or given a violation for it.
     
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  9. Down the road

    Down the road Light Load Member

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    Ok.......fair enough. It might slide in certain places at certain times...........if you are ever in any type of accident 15 mins will not cut it. It will be the first aspect of your logbook that comes under scrutiny.

    How is it going to look in court when a lawyer says "Can a proper pretrip be done in 15 minutes or less as this driver reports?" Then a DOT guy says "no".

    Any credibility you have has vanished in an instant.

    Cover your ###.
     
  10. Ranger Bob

    Ranger Bob Light Load Member

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    Sure you can.....the pre/post trip inspections are by nature mainly visual and are meant to catch obvious problems......if you have auto slack adjusters then you are not supposed to adjust the brakes which would be the major time consumer in doing your inspection. I do agree that it is a good idea to mix it up from time to time so as not to be held to strictly pattern type logging. Many times I will incorporate my fueling with either a pre or post trip inspection and show 30 minutes on line 4, or with loading and unloading time as well if I camped out at the shipper/consignee.

    I will be happy to show the DOT man how to do it........after all are you saying they can do a proper Level 1 in 15 minutes as well like the majority of mine have always been as per instructions from the DOT man himself......."driver now you are gonna want to log 15 minutes on line 4 for this inspection from "such and such to such and such time".........:biggrin_2551:
     
  11. Mark Kling

    Mark Kling Technology Contributor

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    The OP was asking about the DVIR (Daily Vehicle Insp Report)..... believe this is required on a post trip.
     
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