Changing rear end?

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  1. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    From what I understand.... U want your cruise speed to be at the low end of the engine's preferred Rpms. Guys that spec a higher number ratio will have more power, but will be at the highest rpm to cruise. To get extra power, you can compensate for the rear ratio by downshifting. If speed with a lower number ratio, you still have a bit extra if u want to pass someone without over revving ur truck.
     
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  3. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    That set-up sounds about right to me....factoring in for the difference in tire size, I'm running a very similar setup. Mack engine turned up to 487hp, Mack 18 speed transmission, 4.17 Mack rears on 11R24.5 tires. I'm actually contemplating swapping out the 4.17's for 4.42's.
     
  4. CbarM

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    My current set up is a 525 Celect + 18 spd n 4.30 rears...but I am mostly offroad...works good for me
     
  5. WitchingHour

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    Those Swift trucks also had a direct drive transmission.. if the OP is looking at running 2.93s with the same transmission used to turn a set of 3.58s, 3.70s, etc., it's going to be a world of difference, and one which I really don't think is going to save fuel.
    The advantage of 2.64s, 2.79s, 2.93s with a direct drive vs. 3.42s, 3.55s, 3.58s, 3.70s, 3.73s, etc. is that you don't have the parasitic loss of power turning a 1:1 ratio that you do when you go into overdrive at a .74:1, .78:1, etc. ratio. But this comes at the expense of having less starting torque for taking off, as well. For a general use road tractor, it shouldn't be much of a problem. If, however, you ran the mountains a lot, or you did any kind of vocational duties or a lot of stop-and-go local driving, probably not the best option.
     
  6. kelgar50

    kelgar50 Medium Load Member

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    I had a classic xl with a 12.7 Detroit 13spd and 2.93 rears and it did just fine. Fuel mpg pulling my spread axle drop deck stayed between 6.8- 7.5 depending on the load and crusing at 62.
    Had no problems with pulling power either a friend of mine had a classic 14l Detroit 13spd and 3.55 both of us running lowpro 22.5's and he never could pass me on the hills.
    Have to remember they step the trans different for the different rear gear ratios also mine had a final o/d of .86. If I remember right they have 3 different sets of gears for the inside of the 13 to help coinside with your rear end ratio selection for your best pulling.
     
  7. WitchingHour

    WitchingHour Road Train Member

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    .86 OD with 2.93s? What sort of RPMs were you turning at 62?
     
  8. Pedigreed Bulldog

    Pedigreed Bulldog Road Train Member

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    That would depend upon the tire size. 11R22.5 would have the engine turning somewhere around 1270. Low profile 22.5's would increase the RPMs slightly...11R24.5's would decrease it.
     
  9. kelgar50

    kelgar50 Medium Load Member

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    I sold the truck in 2010 but if memory serves me I want to say right around 1275- 1300 in 13th.
     
  10. Stone Express

    Stone Express Medium Load Member

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    Most 13s have 1.1, a .86, and a .73. Hence a double overdrive. 9 and 10 speeds can be either a 1.1, or a .74 and even some have .73s.

    If you are running the 2.64s and higher speed gears, you would most likely want a direct drive, 1.1 transmission, unless you have a 13 or an 18 speed, and want to have a truck that will be geared for about 120 mph.

    The reason the switch to running 3.90s, 3.55s, 3.42s etc, with overdrive transmissions, I believe was to take some of the torque off the transmissions. It had the extra leverage.

    Been a while. Someone correct me if I am wrong please....
     
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    The rears tend to go bad earlier with the taller gears, especially pulling hard loads all the time, like the spread axle poultry trailers we pull.

    2001 FLD 120s 10 speed direct with 2.64 rear ratio. 12.7 ddec IVs

    We had 3 of 5 that didn't get wrecked, and they all had the power divider go out prematurely, and the only way to fix it was at a dealer shop or at least with new gear sets, the 2 from wrecks swapped into the one I had both went out again in a short time. A truck with a tall geared 13 speed also had the power divider fail. Would run 75 mph at around 1600 RPM with the 10 speeds, the 13 would only do about 69 but at just over 1400rpm in high with 24.5 low rubber.

    We had a few old Heartland Express trucks with the first low power ISX engines, geared lower and direct, and never had any trouble with the power dividers in those. 2000 Columbias with Meritor 10 speeds, and would run 1750 at around 73 mph.

    The new trucks are gearing taller with directs, hopefully, they have some of the durability issues fixed by now.
     
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