Going From A Pre-Emission 3406e 550hp to an EPA ISX 475hp (need engine/ ratio advice)

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by markevonnie, Feb 22, 2013.

  1. markevonnie

    markevonnie Bobtail Member

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    I would prefer to be well with in the "green zone" at 65mph (the average interstate speed limit where I run). One advantage you would have had with your 3.36's is your lp22.5's.

    The truck I'm looking at has lp24.5's. The Road Ranger speed calculator says the road speed would be 68.4mph with lp24.5's at 1400 rpm's with a .73 final drive; however, I believe their calculations are 3mph-3.5mph high. I believe the truck I'm looking at would be doing exactly 65mph at 1400.

    The reason why I believe this is because I checked many different rpm's and road speeds with my current truck which has 11r22.5's @40%, .73 final drive and a 3.55 ratio. When my truck's specs are entered in to the Road Ranger speed calculator, it is 3mph-3.5mph higher than my actual speed for every rpm and speed I checked. My speedometer has always been very accurate. Also, I verified my speedometer's accurateness with my gps during this experiment.

    PackRatTDI - According to the Road Ranger calculator, your speed at 1300rpm's/1400rpm's/1500rpm's would have been 61.6mph/66.4mph/71.1mph. Is this about right or do you think these speeds are higher than what the actual rpm would have been?

    Lp24.5 tires would bring the speed up approximately 2mph.
     
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  3. PackRatTDI

    PackRatTDI Licensed to Ill

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    Those figures are about right I'd say. According to my gps, the speedometer error is just under 1 mph.
     
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  4. markevonnie

    markevonnie Bobtail Member

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    I'll have to have the tachometer checked in my truck as that could be throwing me off.
     
  5. markevonnie

    markevonnie Bobtail Member

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    I discovered why the actual speed is a little slower than the road ranger speed calculator. On their website, it explains the speeds on the chart doesn't account for any losses in the drive train or tires.

    Just checked again - .73 final, 3.55 ratio, 11r22.5 tires at 1500 rpm was somewhere between 66mph-68mph (maybe 67 mph would be the exact speed at exactly 1500 rpm) The road ranger website says I should have been doing 69.7 mph.

    I'm pretty confident to say their listed speeds are 2 mph - 3 mph faster than what the truck would be doing in the real world.
     
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  6. pawpaw1

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    If the recon engine is an 07 or before , I would think your only issue , outside of gearing , would be doing an EGR delete. ISX is a good engine , except for the EGR.
    As far as your gearing , I'm not sure what rebuilding your 3.36s would cost , but here's a thought. Run it the way it is , for awhile , until you're ready for new drives. Then find a good salvage yard , trade out your 24.5s for 22.5s , buy your new tires , you're set. Wish you'd have posted this 6 months ago , cause I was wanting to swap from 22.5 , to 24.5 . I did , and that's how. Cost me $500.00 for the rims , and I needed new drives anyway. Lot cheaper than swapping rears.
    Good Luck !
     
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  7. pawpaw1

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    As to the weight , you should be able to find out the dry weight pretty easily . If its not on the door tag , get the serial # , call a KW dealer , and ask the parts man . He should be able to look it up.
    From that , add the weight of oil , coolant , and fuel, and you're set.
    Or , just drive it to a scale , and weigh it. Then figure 7 lbs. a gallon for the fuel.
    If you are really that obsessed with getting a tag axel setup , for the fuel savings , you may be better off just finding a truck already set up that way.
    IMHO , you won't be happy with that setup. I ran an 07 Pete , 550 Acert , that locked , I could , and did , use it a bit , in Georgia. We didn't have snow to deal with , we had red clay mud. When its wet , it's worse than snow , almost like ice. If it was hard-packed , it was like ice. All 4 screws would be spinning , and , while I was always able to eventually get going , I had some close calls.
    If you're running the Midwest , I'd be thinking long and hard about the inconvience of getting stuck , the cost of a tow , as against the Possible benefit of a very small gain in fuel mileage. I ran the Midwest for a lot of years , and no way I'd want a single screw setup.
    But, to each his own. Good Luck , whatever you decide !
     
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