Im looking at buying a 2010 389 from a buddy with 375k on it. The truck has been featured in a few mags and the owner is the most meticulous owner operater I know. He is the only one who has ever drivin the truck and is not a hotrodder by any means. He is one of those guys that runs the right lane 65mph everywhere he goes. I would be here for 2 days if I were to go into how nice this truck is. Here is the deal. It has an ISX 525 under the hood and he has never had any issues exept replacement of the turbo around 300k. I keep hearing horror stories about these engines haveing a problem with the liners, in that they sink into the block and some even go as far as causing catastrophic engine failure damaging the block beyond repair. My buddy is straight up , he is a very succesfull owner operator and didnt get where he is today screwing people. So I believe him without a doubt when he says he has had no problems. But all that aside, Should I be concerned about this engine and its liners. I wish things were like the ol days and you run an engine 800k and roll bearings and get another 500k out of them but those days are gone. Has anyone had or know of these issues? Would you be afraid of these engines? What are some thoughts on this, I would really appreciate your response.
2010 ISX liner issue?
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I've never heard anything about it. No reason you can't change the bearings out early either. Those days are still here.
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Really they are not. Things have become so complicated, small things are big issues. A model cat, B model cat, ntc cummins, kta cummins ect were simple proven designs. Take for instance the E model cat. Cats last real truck engine, ya they had some cam issues, injector o-ring issues but other than that even though they were computer controlled engines they were solid and trust worthy. Ya I know they all fail, nothing was perfect but as I said they were solid and you didnt worry about them just coming apart at 300k. Take for instance the 12valve or 24vale 5.9 cummins dodge puts in their pickups. 12 valve is proven and most dodge pickups fall apart around them. 24 valve an excelent design, had lift pump issues but its easily fixed. Now the common rail 03-06 is another story. Injector nozzles are the weak point so when one fails it washes the cylinder and takes out the engine. People have caught on to that and are leary of these used pickups with that engine. My point is yes they all had their issues but not to the point that you worried about the structural integrtity of the actual block or liners themselves until really high miles. So ya I could buy the truck and roll bearing in it at 300k, but that does not do anything for the liners. It was a figure of speach.
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When buying a used truck you should always be concerned.. but with that mileage I would take a chance on it if the price was right... Call Cummins and ask them about that motor... Tell them you have one giving you fits .... Someone said those motors have liner problems... Act concerned and ask him straight up if they are bad about it.. Most service managers will tell you pretty straight about that sort of thing once they believe you are on the hook..
Having said all that I do know that ISX motors are not the best motor in 2010... I would do some calling if you don't get the answer you are looking for .. -
We've actually been hearing that the base engine itself is really quite reliable. The main problems are still just emissions stuff. I haven't anything about liner problems. Where did you hear this, the CB, or coffee shop?
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I would be more concerned with what is ON the motor, than what's IN the motor. Ask your Cummins dealer what the turbo, EGR valve and cooler, DPF cartridge cost to replace. Those items are much more likely to fail than the liners.
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A fuel company I worked for years ago bought two 2010 cummins ISX brand new and both of them had the same issue. I keep in contact with some of the hands there and when I told my old friend I was thinking of buying this truck, he informed me of what had happened to theirs. One was able to be fixed but the other had grenaded and ruined the block. They have since got rid of both of them. He did alot of reaserch on his own and told me that while not every one does it its not uncommon. The problem is cummins did not put a lip on the liners or shim the liners so after time they start to sink into the block. First you think its head gasket issues and if your luck you get it figured out before a catastrophie. Major deal either way. I am going to call a cummins shop and talk to a service mngr as suggested. I sure do appreceate the responces. Im just hopeing if someone else who has had this happen sees this I can get some more first hand experience with this problem. Thank fellas!
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With a 2010 engine the biggest issue you have to worry about is oil consumption or fault code 3375, 3376.
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the oil consumption is from the recirculated exhaust crap building up on the piston above the top ring and buffing out the crosshatch in the liner. cummins has not come up with a solution yet (at least that I heard). The 3375 and 3376 fault codes are exhaust valve seals coming up off the valve guide, seal kits are available about 4-5 hr to repair.
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We have a few 2010 ISX's where I work. They have the same dpf issues as the rest, as well as some egr issues and turbo failures. The engines foundation has been good, with the exception to one that had a cracked head ( lost the water pump belt and the driver kept on truckin and overheated it) and a bum crank damper. Wouldn't bother me to buy another at all.
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