Bringing back the 9900i series

Discussion in 'International Forum' started by FLATBED, Apr 12, 2013.

  1. FLATBED

    FLATBED Road Train Member

    Announced / unveiled today at the Montreal truck show they are bringing back the 9900i series Highway tractor
     
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  3. little cat 500

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    wonder if there going to sell the 9900 as a glider i have a 2003 9900 with a 6nz in it love the truck
     
  4. Heavyd

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    Most gliders are completely illegal and due to no enforcement and sloppy legal loopholes they continue to be manufactured. EPA and Environment Canada are aware of this and changes are coming. If you buy a glider kit the engine and emissions must meet the same year requirements as the glider model year.
     
  5. fortycalglock

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    You're spreading rumors again. Please back up with facts. Gliders are not illegal, this should be obvious to even you. If not, the fact that Schneider bought a thousand of them should sway you that way. Since you obviously have some hang up on gliders, put your money where your mouth is and prove they are illegal. When you can't, will you please stop spreading your drivel whenever someone mentions the word glider.
     
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  6. FLATBED

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    Heres how FREIGHTLINER words it DIAL BACK THE EMISSIONS CLOCK
    [FONT=ITC Franklin Gothic Std Med,ITC Franklin Gothic Std Med][FONT=ITC Franklin Gothic Std Med,ITC Franklin Gothic Std Med]A Glider may help you meet earlier emission requirements when a pre-EPA 2010 engine is installed. A new Glider that is spec'd with an earlier engine may only be required to meet emission standards that apply to that engine. See your Freightliner Dealer for complete details.
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  7. mp4694330

    mp4694330 Road Train Member

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    When they stopped making them?

    Few years ago?
     
  8. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    You talk as if I have made several posts about gliders. I can't remember making another comments on them, but what ever... For the record, I am here to help you! I'm not here to further stick it you guys when it comes to the emissions stuff. If you read some of my comments, I am just as sick of it as you all are. I also don't like seeing good honest, hard working people go bankrupt because of this emissions stuff. Please remember, I did not design it, I did not sell it to you, and I do not make up the laws. My comments are just to give you guys a heads up.

    But, like it or not, laws are laws and more are coming. Do you think they will allow glider kits to be assembled with pre-emission engines and run the highway with everyone else that has to conform? Does it make sense to drive a 2014 model truck with an engine that is 2000 or earlier emissions rated and have it be completely ok and legal? If you do, you are a fool. Companies provide glider kits because there is a market for it, I agree. But, the market is there because no one from any form of government has really come out and told them to stop, or come up with any enforcement. And so it continues, for now.
    I quickly found this information, I hope you are smart enough to find some too.

    In addition to the Motor Vehicle Safety Act and safety liability issues, there are some serious emissions concerns per the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, which is enforced by Environment Canada. The rules that pertain to Section 153(1)(a) of the Act are as follows:
    153. (1) No company shall apply a national emissions mark to any vehicle, engine or equipment, sell any vehicle, engine or equipment to which a national emissions mark has been applied or import any vehicle, engine or equipment unless
    (a) the vehicle, engine or equipment conforms to the standards prescribed for vehicles, engines or equipment of its class at the time its main assembly or manufacture was completed;
    In the Regulations, Section 15, the following is stated:
    Heavy-duty Vehicles
    15. (1) Subject to subsection (2) and section 19, a diesel heavy-duty vehicle of a specific model year, other than a medium-duty passenger vehicle, shall
    (a) be equipped with a heavy-duty engine that meets the requirements of these Regulations; and
    (b) conform to the evaporative emission standards applicable to diesel heavy-duty vehicles of that model year set out in section 11, subpart A, of the CFR.
    Thus, the emissions from a given model year vehicle must be met, so the engine must meet those requirements, i.e. a 2012 model year vehicle must be able to meet 2012 emission requirements for the given class of vehicles and/or engines.
    So, in summary, a glider kit is an "assemblage of parts" useful for repairing a wrecked truck, period.

    http://www.todaystrucking.com/glider-kits-fish-or-fowl

    We know about the Walmart truck with the 60 foot trailer. It was touring around Ontario and of course had to get special permits to operate as part if its testing. There are lots of interesting articles about it. Here is a quote from one;
    Don Moore, CEO of the Canadian Transportation Equipment Association, wrote a letter to members on the subject. Writing about gliders in general and citing Canadian law, he said that if the rig is titled as a 2012 vehicle, its exhaust performance would have to match.

    "The emissions from a given model year vehicle must be met, so the engine must meet those requirements; i.e. a 2012 model-year vehicle must be able to meet 2012 emission requirements for the given class of vehicles and/or engines," Moore concluded.

    http://www.truckinginfo.com/blog/tr...r-walmart-canada-might-raise-some-issues.aspx

    For the companies that are using kits and assembling them as "new" vehicles have to be able to certify these vehicles according to the CMVSS 101 through 1106 of the Canadian Motor vehicle Safety Regulations. Basically, if the glider kit comes from Freightliner, the kit is sold as an incomplete vehicle. The company performing the finally assembly is now essentially the OEM, and therefore, must comply to the same certification standards the big OEM's do for vehicle safety. This includes crash worthiness, noise levels, safety restraints, fire testing, braking, brake timing and so on. Do you mean to tell me these companies do this? I doubt it. Is it legal, technically no. Big deal? Probably not, but another strike against them.

    I don't know how much they cost compared to new, but I would imagine it is not cheap either. But could you imagine being told you can't run the truck in some States, or Provinces because of the engine. Or how about you can't get a safety sticker because the engine doesn't meet the vehicle's model year emissions? What do you do then?

    http://www.producer.com/2012/08/gliding-over-the-tier-4i-engines
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    There are many laws that have grey areas and many loopholes. This is why this has been going on. Sorry, but the EPA and emissions aren't going away. The laws will only get tighter. I truly hope you don't get pinched!
     
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