New HOS rules?

sorry rickg, i didnt look at it that way i suppose if a guy took a nap at some pickle park [10hr reset] then got up to drive a few hours only to wait a few hours to be unloaded [on duty ] that could goof up your total driving time. this is such a diversified industry that new rules will affect some more than others. i suppose if the goverment would of listen to us all and took each company into consideration this new rule would have more pages than obamacare, but as it is i guess everybody is treated the same no matter what type of transportation business your in. happy trails

 

I don't see how anyone could go 8+ hours without at least stopping for a bathroom break anyhow. Unless you're going into bottles while you drive, which is probably not a good idea.

Stop for a bathroom break and just log 30mins off duty. By the time you get there, you'd have already spent probably at least 10 minutes of that half hour driving to get there...if that makes any sense.

 

But you are forced to shut down for 30 minutes in the interim, so technically, you have 13.5 hours, non-continuous. The 30 minute break does not pause the 14 hour clock.

 

You still have 14, they are just forcing you to use .5 of it at some point. Hell, you could just as well use it at your customer. If it take them an hour to load you, well 15mins load, 45mins off duty anyways, this rule is not going to make one iota of a difference. Or you could take it at a fuel stop.

Bottom line, just show it somewhere in there and you're fine. You're likely going to use the half hour like you should anyways. This new rule should not cause any problems.

The problem I have is them not allowing you to take two 34hour resets. That one is stupid and makes no sense. And also having it mandatory that the 34reset includes two periods between 1am and 5am. This may cause problems for team operations. Or if you get home Saturday night/Sunday morning at 2am, well, you won't get your 34 until Tuesday morning.

These people seem hellbent on reducing productivity. This will cause even more capacity shortage. Which I guess = more costs, which get eaten up by reduced productivity. Hurts the economy overall. But I bet we will all be much safer now. Our "perfect world" is coming, even if it is forced upon us all.

 

There are many cases where the driver loads or unloads during the first few hours of the 14 . Unless a driver already has 6 hours on duty before taking the 30 minutes he will have to take another 30 minutes 8 hours later .
The break is required off duty so fueling can't be part of it .

 

Sorry, it makes no sense if unless you're on paper. On paper you can do a lot of things to remain legal and reasonably productive, but for the purposes of this discussion I think we have to assume e-logs are the order of the day and go from there.

 

If you are "doing a lot of things " on paper and think that's legal you might get an unpleasant surprise if audited .

 

I was audited daily by different companies' internal auditors and various road inspection audits and never received a violation or write-up over an accrued course of more than 20 years on paper. Who said I was doing anything "illegal"? Assume a bit much, do we? The point is, with 7.5 minute rounding you can gain a lot of time to your advantage over the course of a day and a week that involves many stops and fuelings, and there is nothing illegal about it.

 

QC audited their logs daily also and thought they were fine until they had a real audit a few years ago . Then they went to e-logs because the safety department is totally incapable of detecting drivers doing things with paper logs .