Dot regulation question

Or are you Case485guy ? My interpretation of this "
Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds."
is that Kubota Toy and Duffster are correct . The trailer does not meet the "in excess of 10,000 lbs. " provision .

 

Only if you register it as a combination. I am 100% confident in that you can drive a 26000 lb truck and a trailer 9999 lbs. Class c and b have to do with truck weight and class a means the trailer is over 10000

 

I think you are confusing GCWR. When you say you can't pair a 26K truck and a 10K trailer together without a CDL. The truck doesn't weigh 26,000 lbs. With what it's pulling it weighs 26,000 lbs. So if the fully loaded trailer is 10,000 lbs (max gvwr) the truck actually weighs 16,000 lbs. GCWR is what the truck is capable of total of everything combined.

The 1 ton part 13750 gvwr pulling a trailer with a 14K gvwr then the 1 ton has to have at least a GCWR of 27750 lbs and would have to have a CDL.

I think there are only a few 1 ton's like the Duramax V8 that has a rating above 26,000 lbs. Not only does the truck have to have the right suspension it has to have the right motor to get it up there.

With big trucks many weigh in the 16,000 lb +/- 3000 lb range but their GCWR shoots up there because their big tires, suspension, 500 HP or so engines/drivetrain and air brakes increases their pulling capability greatly.

It's all based on them plates inside the door and what's on the trailer manufacturer plate rating. You can take a semi that weighs 16,000 lbs and he can yank a 5,000 lb trailer around on a pintle hook. Does he need a CDL? Yes because that plate inside the truck's door jamb says he has a GCWR of 80,000lbs. He can't pull that weight with that little trailer but he is rated to pull a 53 footer.

The whole idea is you ain't yanking around more than the vehicle can handle. Any Joe can pull 26,000 lbs total weight but if he is capable of pulling 26,001 then he needs to follow our rules and demonstrate he can safely handle that weight. To be honest with you I guess the whole system was politically structured around a straight truck making local store deliveries.

 

A 26K truck hooked to a trailer with a 10,000 lb GVWR then the truck to be legal already has a minimum of a 36K GCWR which puts it in the yes for CDL. With a trailer ignore the trucks weight( GVWR). When the book says GCWR and you keep saying the trucks GVWR. If you aren't confused then they are. When a truck is pulling a trailer you go by the truck's GCWR and take into consideration the trailer's GVWR. If the truck is not pulling a trailer then you go by only the truck's GVWR.

>26,000 lbs GCWR and trailer > 10,000 lbs GVWR = Class A CDL
> 26,000 lbs GVWR and trailer 10,000 lbs or less = Class B CDL

Like others said you have to take into consideration how the vehicles are registered. But I don't see many registering much lower than what the vehicle is capable of.

You mention farm equipment? Are you all farmers? Then you move into the restricted CDL category.

I can't read that other forum without registering which ain't gonna happen. Hint: the mods get mad when someone brings other forum fights here. You could of left that forum out of it.

 

You put the diagram up and I found it in the fmsca handbook so, class a 26,001 if more and a trailer over 10k, class b 26001 or more truck trailer under 10k and class c if you don't follow under anything above, if your vehicle in tow "a trailer" over 10k no matter the truck wright is a class a, so truck under 26000 and a trailer 10k does not fall under anything above makes it a class c. Thank you. Good night discussion over it was over from the start, drive home safe and tip your waitresses.

 

If the combined weight rating of the truck and trailer is over 26k then a CDL A is required. (if trailer is rated over 10k) CDL B if trailer is rated 10k or under.

You could have a truck rated at 10k and trailer at 16k. total 26k and no cdl is required. if truck is rated at 10001 and trailer at 16k, then total weight rating is 26001k then CDL A is required. That 1 pound of weight rating makes all the difference.

Truck rated for 16k trailer rated for 10k. total 26k no CDL required. Truck rated for 16001 trailer 10k. total 26001k CDL b is required.

Now thats my understanding.

State of FL says any commercial vehicle towing a trailer over 10k has to have an A license. Car haulers with 1 tons and wedges are getting nailed all the time. Not sure what happens when they take the ticket to court.

I think DOT needs to clarify this law a little better. Does a CDL requirement start at 26001k or does it Start with a 10001k trailer.

Pretty sad when you have to have a law degree to understand the rules.

 

What part of PROVIDED don't you other people understand ?
Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds."
ANY vehicle not exceeding 26,000lbs pulling a trailer not exceeding 10,000lbs. does not require a CDL. Therefore you can have up to a 36,000lb. GCWR and not require a CDL