oil sample?

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  1. trees

    trees Road Train Member

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    OK, that's pretty high mileage. The other wear metals look fantastic. The only concerns I would have would be the iron, silicon, and soot. I'm thinking your ok on the change interval, how long have you been on this maintenance schedule?
     
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  3. Ezrider_48501

    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    i wouldn't say i have a lot of idle time but there is certainly some idle time. a few hours a day. i think the soot may be contributed more by the stop and go driving. silicon i certainly went too long on the air filter, it had gone two services on that air filter. normally i change it at every service. because i drive a lot of dirt road and dusty conditions.

    iv been running around this oil change interval for a while now. iv serviced as early as 5k miles and as late as 10k miles. this is only the second time iv ever done a oil sample. plan to start doing it on a regular basis now though. first one was several months ago. i think i am having trouble finding where i saved it at though.
     
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    If you have an extention on your draft/blowby tube that puts it close to the ground, axle legnth or longer, you can suck dust and dirt into the enging with that, especially if the engine fan is on blowing dust everywhere while moving slow.

    The engine will creat blowby pressure at idle or under load, but will usually create a vacuum when holding back. I learned that on my oil analysis. I always had high iron and silicon on my 12.7. New filters, every connection checked. The only thing I did different was extend the blowby tube to keep oil from getting on the axle.
     
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  5. Rawze

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    I think your Iron is too high for only those few miles. Soot is slightly high as well. You using any additives?
     
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  6. seabring

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    I pulled the last 2 oil samples from my maint records for something to compare yours against. There was 20k miles on the oil from the first sample to the second sample. All elemental values in parts per million(ppm). some numbers are percentage, i will mark those as i go.
    Cat C15 ACCERT with 980k miles , no engine work done as yet. Shell rotella 15w40 oil, no bypass system, fuel and oil filters changed at each oil change. Highway OTR work, I idle about 15 percent ( hot nights etc).

    Sample 1 : There was 16k miles on the oil this sample related to.
    Contamination; silicon 3.4, potassium 3.2, sodium 0, fuel (%) <2.0, glycol 0, water (%) <0.1, soot(%)0.3, sulfation(%) 96, nitration(%) 101

    Oil condition; boron 164, barium 0, calcium 1560, magnesium 279, molybendum 50, sodium 0, phosphorus 941, sulfur 3327, zinc 1247, visc@ 100*C (cst) 14.2
    oxidization (%) 95, BN(mg/KOH/g) 6.37. The TBN result indicated the oil was suitable for further service. I dropped that oil and changed it.

    Wear metals; white metal 0, babbit 0, iron 16, nickle 0.3, chromium 0.8, titanium 0, copper 3.7, aluminium 2.3, tin 0.2, lead 1.7
    Wear metal rates were considered normal.

    Sample 2: There was 20k miles on the oil this sample relates to.
    Contamination; silicon 3.4, potassium 2.9, sodium 0.9, fuel(%) <2.0, glycol 0, water (%) <0.1, soot (%) 0.2, sulfation(%) 69, nitration (%) 108

    Oil condition; boron 18, barium 0, calcium 1161, magnesium 776, molybendum 34, sodium 0.9, phosphorus 960, sulfur 3462, zinc 1235, visc @ 100*C 15.4,
    oxidization(%) 94, BN(mg/KOH/g) 8.09. The TBN result indicates the oil is suitable for further service. I dropped and changed the oil.

    Wear metals; white metal Very light, babbit 0, iron 20, nickel 0.5, chromium 1.0, titanium 0, copper 4.8, aluminium 1.5, tin 0.2, lead 1.0.
    Wear metal component rates were considered normal.
     
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    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    no additives used

    my blowby tube is fairly long 3ft or so ends fairly close to the ground back about a foot behind the start of my fuel tanks.

    if i did my math right and the soot number is in ppm that would be %.0058
     
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    seabring Road Train Member

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    It can be hard to compare one sample to another. Alot depends on the way the sample was done. Mine are done by a lab called "Wear check", they do the sampling for customers of the "Kleen oil" bypass system. Yours were done by CAT so could be a different reporting system etc.
    I look mostly at the fuel dilution, glycol and water,viscosity, soot and wear metal levels. The TBN test allways comes back saying the oil is suitable for further use but i dont take it past 20k miles even if the sample says it can be used longer.
    I think once you get a few samples done around the same intervals you will see the pattern that your engine has.
     
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    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    i know some company's doing what i do service there trucks ever 5k miles some every 10k hardly anyone goes over 10k on there drains out here. 5k seems a little excessive to me, but i think the guys that service at 5k do it that way because they have company drivers in the trucks and co drivers rarely ever grease anything. 10k seems like a little too much so that's why i try to service around 7500 miles. i grease once a week witch is slightly less than every 2k on average and for some things like the 5th wheel that almost seems not enough its always pretty dry by the end of the week. thinking about going to slick disks.
     
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    Just a suggestion but you could put an hour meter on the engine. My father-in-law does all his services on the farm equipment and his trucks by the hour. He says its more accurate way to do services on machinery.
     
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    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    yeah i know of one guy that services every 5k hours i don't currently have a hour meter on my truck but have considered putting one on and servicing by hours. though from what iv heard the most accurate way to service is to go off gallons of fuel burned. but that is too much to try to keep track of. but iv heard that to be the most accurate way to judge services because when the engine works harder it burns more fuel when it not working as hard it burns less. but i don't think we need to get that technical. i don't want to push my oil drains to the limit like some of the otr guys do. but at the same time i don't want to service so often that im just throwing money out the window.

    another thing that i just thought of though is that my speedo and odo are off by %10 so so the 7500 miles on this oil sample is actually about 8200 not that that makes a big difference.

    im doing a road construction job right now and the tonnage rate increases in 4mi increments from the start of the construction before we just wrote on the bills how many miles from the start of the construction to where we dump but now there wanting odo reading from the pit to where we unload. and at 40 miles from the pit to the start of the construction my odo reads 4 miles less than what i accualy drove. so i have to correct my total millage for the inaccuracy on the paperwork its amazing how many miles that %10 adds up to at the end of a day

    my next oil sample is going to be interesting as well as this job im working on now has two 7% grades to pull loaded 80-86k lbs each load and typicaly doing 5 loads a day so thats pulling a 7% grade 10 times a day loaded 20 times counting loaded and empty. ill be curious to see if that has any affect on the sample results
     
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