Flatbedding Noob Curiosity

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  1. RubberDuckie

    RubberDuckie Light Load Member

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    Good Morning Drivers,

    I am not new to trucking (2 years) but I am new to FB. I had a few random questions that I hope some may be able to answer. Thanks in advance for your time and advice.

    1) What keeps pipe from falling off while going uphill?? It would seem 30k+ Pounds of pipe wouldn't be kept still by straps, as you'd think they'd slide off. The only thing that makes me nervous of FBing is having something fall off. I seriously plan on using every single chain/strap I have on every load. That's how paranoid I am.

    2) What is it like, generally, dealing with shippers/receivers? What are the steel plants like? Lumber? Do you just drive up? Are there usually directions telling you what to do once you get there? (reefer recs/ships were good for having little to no signage giving instructions on what to do, which would have been fine had they all had a uniform way of doing things). Many of those places were "just figure it out" places, and I despise that. If I can take the time to do my job, why can't you take the time to leave some simple instructions on what exactly you expect from us once we get there? I bringing you YOUR FREIGHT for christ's sake...wouldn't you want to make it as simple as possible for me to get it to you?

    3) Is waiting a lot typical in FBing?

    4) What are some things you have learned through trial and error that you would pass on to a new Flatbed driver. Like for instance, a vet told me during orientation last week:

    "Never get in a hurry in Flatbedding. It's pointless. Take your time and get the job done RIGHT. Rushing just means, at minimum, you will have to stop again down the road to correct what you did wrong. At worst, it could mean your freedom and someone's life".

    On a lighter note, I do look forward to the weight I'll lose. EVeryone I've talked to pretty much confirmed that it'll definitely come off with some decent eating practices.

    Thank you again for your patience and time.
     
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  3. Jumbo

    Jumbo Road Train Member

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    The answer to question number one is physics.
     
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  4. AZS

    AZS Honk if anything falls off

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    I've only been doing it 3 years but I can take a shot at your questions. The thing with pipe is you use a lot of straps and you strap on every layer so you have a strong foundation for it. It won't slide if you do it right, needless to say its still a very dangerous load so adequate following distance is very important to maintain. Steel plants are annoying as it seems they all have different rules you must follow and directions can be difficult to get without asking someone who's been there before. Asking other drivers will get you far in flatbedding.

    Waiting hardly ever happens for me but when it does it's a really long wait, basically all day but that's rare usually, especially unloading, the only delay is you and how fast you can get your securement off.

    Tips I will leave to some more veteran people but a good one I've found is if you're unsure how to secure a load, ask other drivers or even the forklift person.
     
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  5. Semi Crazy

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    One notable property being important: friction. The tighter your straps/chains, the more friction holding the load to the deck. But remember securement devices are designed to work at a certain tension. 350 lb. Bubba using a cheater bar on a winch will over-tighten the strap.
     
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  6. Joetro

    Joetro Road Train Member

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    Most of my career has been open-deck freight. For some reason, still unclear to me, I currently drag a reefer these days.

    1) Pipe isn't too bad if you take your time and learn to belly-wrap. Basically, as another poster said, have straps on each layer. It won't go anywhere. More often than not, the shipper knows what needs to be done to keep it on the trailer.

    2) Just like anything else, it varies, depending on what you're hauling and the company doing the shipping/receiving. Don't count on GPS, it's just a guide and should always be treated as such. Nothing is better than a phone call to the customer to get directions.

    3) Waiting does happen, occasionally, but it isn't as frequent as it is with reefer freight.

    4) It would take pages to point out the things I've learned from trial and error. Pay attention to the words from that veteran. One thing I will remember always is, when hauling steel stock, particularly oiled steel stock, build a bulkhead against the front of it. That will keep it from sliding forward in the event of a hard braking. Take my word for it. This is experience talking and the sad thing is; it wasn't inexperience that caused it, it was laziness. I knew what should have been done and cut corners and paid the price.
     
  7. Heavy Hammer

    Heavy Hammer Road Train Member

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    Thats still new in my books. However, your questions are wise beyond your experience...congrats for paying attention!

    The answer to
    1) What keeps anything from coming off your trailer?
    You! You control the amount of load security you choose to use, use that knowledge wisely, the life you save may be your own!
    For strapping loads basic load security rules are 2 straps in the first four feet, & one for each continuing 8 feet. Adding tiers causes fluctuations in this.
    For chaining down equipment or odd freight, use the 80/50/25 rule. 80% of the weight of the loads worth of chain pulling back. 50% of the weight of the loads worth of chain pulling forward & each side direction. 25% of the loads worth of chain pulling down...which if you've coved the 80/50, this is easily covered. The rating for Transport Grade 70 chain is 4700lbs per 5/16" chain, 6600lbs per 3/8" chain, & 11300lbs per 1/2" chain. Check the handle of your binders, they will have their WLL (Working Load Limit) marked on them, use the LOWER rating for your calculations...think weakest link.

    The quoted advise is one of the best statements I've ever heard. Once again, congrats for paying attention.

    I'd like to thank you for taking the time & asking some good questions, I have a feeling you will be one of the better ones!

    I have some pics posted in the Heavy Haul sub forum, if you happen to see me around come introduce yourself...I'd be happy to show you what I know.

    Good luck!
     
  8. TripleSix

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    Most shippers and receivers are decent, just as most drivers are decent. However, you have a holes on both sides.

    Some drivers are impatient. In my line of work, patience is essential. Impatient drivers get real irritable really quick. Some shippers and receivers are extremely slow. That doesn't bother me. There is however, one thing that will send me on the warpath instantly.

    Got a load of pipe from Sugarland to Laredo paying $2100. I don't normally pull pipe, but for $2100 for 350 miles, I sure will. So, I fork out the money for pipe stakes and dunnage and go to get loaded. There was this yard guy that had my number. He raised so much sin because another driver didn't have steel toes that they made him leave. I asked if I could secure the other drivers load and he stay in the truck and the management said that was okay.

    I get my load secured. The other driver comes up behind my truck and the yard guy starts raising sin again. The people in the office decided to make him stand out on the street (I had to drive his truck in). I take my truck out on the street and walk my paperwork to the office so the lady at the window can give me my BOL. Yard guy comes up yelling at me.

    Yardguy: HEY, I NEED XXXXXX PAPER!

    Six: I gave all the papers I had to the lady at the window.

    Yardguy: I SAID I NEED XXXX PAPER. YOU GIVE ME THE PAPER!

    (Slightly irritated. Maybe he's really hard of hearing?)

    I point to the girl behind the window
    Six: I gave her ever paper I had. Get whatever you need from her.

    The girl sat there frightened. Don't know why she didn't speak up.

    Yardguy: I NEED THE PAPER. I AM GOING TO SEARCH YOUR TRUCK

    (Waitaminute...did yard boy just threaten me with a home invasion? My truck? My baby being violated by a yard boy? Unbelievable. I thought that I could be cool in all circumstances, but how do you keep your cool when threatened by home invaders? Honest answers...what would you do?)
     
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  9. DrtyDiesel

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    1. The friction from the straps holding the pipe down and bundled pipe together will keep them from sliding out. If they do slide then your straps are loose! Lol. When I haul loose pipe I usually stop every hour to tighten my straps.

    2. From my experiences flatbed customers treat drivers better, we're doing a part in trucking that is unique, we secure their freight and we are responsible for everything on the trailer rather than just closing doors and hitting the road. Steel mills were tricky sometimes, when I hauled coils with roehl transport we would pick up from steel mills and they usually had signs on where to go. Hauling lumber from Georgia pacific there are usually signs but usually a guard house you will see from the road, drive up and they'll tell you what to do and where to go. In flatbed song we go some places that a lot of trucks don't, so there are still quite a few "just figure it out on your own" places.


    3. Depends on where you go. Some places you'll have pre loaded trailers, others they have to make your product. I've been to some places where I was loaded and secured and ready to hit the road with my paperwork in less than 30 minutes. Other places I've been there for 15 hours waiting for them to "make" my load.

    4. I've learned that, do not rush. I've rushed before and driving down the road I see a strap flapping around or I forgot to close a tool box. It's important to take your time, do it right the first time, and ALWAYS do a walk around of your truck after you secure and get ready to leave, make sure you didn't leave any tools or items loose on the trailer. Also make sure all your cargo boxes are secure


    Lastly, you don't have to use all your straps and chains, there is no such thing as "over secure". I myself will put on 100-120% of WLL on some stuff. I have a system of four things

    1. Do I meet DOT requirements for securement?
    2. Do I meet company policy for securement?
    3. Am I happy with the way it's secured?
    4. Do I feel safe driving this down the road?

    If one of those is a no, then I don't go anywhere. Just personal preference.
     
  10. Dieselwrangler

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    Remind me not to make you mad. If you can twist that little knob on the end of the winch to 350 lb, without using a bar, I don't want you punching me. :)
     
  11. SheepDog

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    No, you don't want him to grab any part of your body.....
     
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