Yeah, someday we will be obsolete. That kind of thing will keep happening as technology advances. I don't think we (the current generation) need to worry about that.
I have had quite a variety of occupations and come to the conclusion that the disconnect between HQ theory and boots-on-the-ground is just an inevitable and ironic reality to which many people, in all walks of life, are obliged to adapt. Who knows what silly fictions the managers and executives also have to navigate in the dramady of American business. Maybe us "grunts" and the folks we imagine are running things have more in common than we suspect![]()
Cheating on logs
Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by dogtrucker, Dec 6, 2013.
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Yeah, you'd think for those thoroughly for-warned 3 days everyone would play it cool ...
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why would we need laws to protect us.i have never in 36 years been forced to drive.e logs will force me to drive when i dont really want to
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Bingo. I had the same issue with the quallcom and the dispatcher contacting me because they knew I had the hours. Called me at 3 am and beeped the unit to wake me up to get rolling.
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I had a driver having that issue not long ago, I flipped a setting allowing him to have a mute button. Now no matter how many messages nights sends to him it wont beep.
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The company I drove for would not do that. I had to have the phone on for family contact and they called it as well.
I can see these things as being evil as well.
I should also state, that if I am woke up at that time, I never fall back to sleep.25(2)+2 Thanks this. -
My old phone would beep at intervals if I missed a call, the new one rings once, and one ring if a message is left. The ring is oddly non directional, so if the phone got misplaced, it can be hard to find.
We never had e-logs, although we did get messages over a unit used to keep track of us, the same, older style People-net that some complain about today. I was less than impressed with it, the several examples I used varied from right on the money, to so full of errors, the only thing we could rely on was the direction the truck was moving, that was uncanny. I got griped at for taking a break longer than I took 30 air miles and in another state from where I actually took it. For real time locations, they seemed pretty good but the data recorded wasn't always accurate.
One of my fellow drivers worked for a company that used them as e-logs, he would get caught just beating the 11 or 14 by a few seconds or minutes and be fined $25 for each occurrence and if he would run a few miles to get by the house, e wouldget dinged for that even though it added almost nothing to the trip.
They also did lots of hot loads, where magically, an out of hours went away and they were strongly encouraged to run no matter what or how tired they were. If I need a laugh, I get him started about that company, he just comes unglued about it, he dislikes them and e-logs that much. I try not to mention it, not that much fun for me, and not good for him.
I read lots, and nowhere do I see claims of any reduction in accidents attributable to e-log use, except by the ATA, and even insurance companies that keep records of this sort of thing have been strangely quiet, although they push speed limiters and event recording as being the Deities' gifts to our race, and punish and discard drivers with incidents of high lateral g forces or hard braking, which may be in error as they rely on sensors that are prone to failure and supply information that can be inaccurate.
Even the FMCSA has backed away from the nomenclature of electronic on board recording device, to automated logging device because of the perception that these things can be used to punish and harass drivers.
Today, I used as much flexibility as I have, leaving early enough to allow for cold weather trouble, so that a non start issue wouldn't make me late. I stopped an hour short at a place I know, slept for 4 hours, delivered just before my appointment and drove back home, 400 miles and change in just over 13 hours of my 14 with the break included. I actually watched most of the day shift show up after I drove through the newly opened gate and parked where directed, instead of finding a place close enough not to trigger e-logs, like the guy that had arrived the night before and parked outside the fence all night.
The newest,latest, revision of the rules gave us the ability to be off duty in a non moving vehicle no matter what off duty activity we are doing, but added 3 more hoops of first of all, the 1/2 hour off duty break before driving again after 8 hours on duty, next, the 2 periods of 0100 to 0500 at home terminal time for a reset, and not starting a reset sooner than 168 hours after the last one started for the reset to take place.
My co-worker could get fined more than he made working under these new rules on e-logs, but I have enough fun trying to explain the new rules to guys that have been at this longer than I have.
My one hope is for flexibility and common sense to return, but that hope is forlorn.
BTW, the e-log version of People-net had glitches, where they interpreted the rules, especially the 14 hour rule before, and the 30 minute break now, as being in violation when there is(was) no violation. I have listened to several accounts of exchanges between People-net and companies that have the system installed. -
I look at somewhere between 36 and 52 violations a day, I have yet to see an incorrect violation related to the 8 hour rule since they implemented the changes.
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First of all the assumption that there is even a decent reason for making the 30 minute break a rule written is stone would be laughable, except the joke is very bad.
What people have told me is that they stop and go off duty for 30 minutes, they watch the timer, and they get dinged when starting after the 30 minutes. I have related errors I observed with People-net , so who is to say which is wrong? I know, the box can't make an error? but the programmers maybe have made errors in interpretation of the rules at the very least. -
You would know much better than me 25(2)+2 --but the 30 minute rule is the only "Rule" i can see as a good idea -- it is one way to maybe get the super truckers off their seat and get some circulation flowing again -cause i figure and have heard that's a big problem with the older drivers (lack of circulation in their legs which causes problems --I dunno?
The 34 hour and 2 periods rule but only once a week makes no sense.
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