Swift, Werner, Knight, England, Schneider, PTL, PAM, CRST, Prime, FFE, Central, USA, Maverick. There are more, but those are the ones that I can think of. Stevens requires a year of experience to become a trainer, but they have dumb and dumber...which is where they stick 2 trainees in a truck and send them on their way, and they'll "figure it out." There are training companies out there that only require 3 months of experience to become a trainer. When I went through training at Steven's it was quite obvious that the 4 "trainers" that I had were only there for the money. When it was time for me to drive, they would go to the back, close the curtains, and I wouldn't see them again unless they had to pee or we got to a shipper/receiver. Money is a great motivator, and you've got people that wouldn't (and shouldn't) ever have trained if it wasn't for the fact that they are getting paid for all of the miles that their trainee drives...and if companies didn't offer that, there is no way they would ever get the amount of trainers needed to keep the door revolving.
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Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by daddyhusky, Jan 31, 2014.
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You can't give 30 plus years of experience to a newb in 10000 miles or thereabouts. The goal of the training companies is, reduce 1st year fallout and wrecks. If you have made it a year, on time, and safely, then you have a chance to be a decent trainer. You still have to have patience and be able to communicate what you know.
In that scheme of things, we all bow low and face east when the super truckers come by us and crowd our students in a parking lot (not really)...but, we are doing our jobs, and you got a lot of nerve telling us we don't belong. When you sign the trainer/finisher/mentor's paycheck, then you are qualified to decide if we are qualified to do our jobs.
Yes, you have been driving longer, I really do respect that...but, like I said, you don't gain any more of my respect by telling me and others like me, that I am not qualified...especially if you infer that you are better than me. When you don't have 30 years to teach a student, then 30 years of knowledge just isn't all that helpful. In roughly 30 days the best you can do is show them how to get there on time and without adding any more crosses to the road side or trading paint with the 30-year pros. -
Just keep your words in mind when one day when you have to "train" one of those guys who had been driving for years, got off a truck for a couple years and had to get back on. You will know the guy can drive, and he will know that you are still a rookie. Don't get an attitude and try to lord over the driver. Just let him drive, do his required time and sign off on him. He won't like you and you won't like him, but neither one of you are here to win a popularity contest.
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If the two can make it 30 days living in a box without egos glaring they just might make it to the six / eight week mark and finish up
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It's just funny to think that all of these guys with less than 5 years seem to know so much more....Roadrealtor no one has said that that they were "better" THAN YOU....MORE QUALIFIED ...YES...BUT NOT BETTER. I just can't get over the arrogance and over-confidence that some of these rookies have.
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My third "trainee" was a guy like that.TripleSix said: ↑Just keep your words in mind when one day when you have to "train" one of those guys who had been driving for years, got off a truck for a couple years and had to get back on. You will know the guy can drive, and he will know that you are still a rookie. Don't get an attitude and try to lord over the driver. Just let him drive, do his required time and sign off on him. He won't like you and you won't like him, but neither one of you are here to win a popularity contest.Click to expand...
I showed him all the new rules, the QUALCOMM and the companies paperwork.
He showed me so old hand tricks and some great places to eat.
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Scott72 said: ↑My partner been driving for 22 years and trust me....he did not make a good trainer.Tonythetruckerdude said: ↑It's just funny to think that all of these guys with less than 5 years seem to know so much more....Roadrealtor no one has said that that they were "better" THAN YOU....MORE QUALIFIED ...YES...BUT NOT BETTER. I just can't get over the arrogance and over-confidence that some of these rookies have.
I think you need to re-read the thread. The arrogance is coming from the older vets, not the trainers. I came in here to answer the OP's question, which I did, then the flaming began. Nothing arrogant about what I said. It's not being arrogant because I don't agree with everything you all said. As I said, there are a lot of "30 yr vets" that could benefit from some serious re-training. Please stop acting like your precious experience conquers all. Sometimes experience breeds laziness. Many times us newer drivers are still practicing how we've been trained and are still doing the little things like GOAL and flashers on while we back and so on. I know a handful of seasoned vets who think they're above all that stuff, therefore that's how they train.
All I'm saying is if you lined up ten 10+ year vets, then ten 1-2 year drivers side by side, I wouldn't always choose the 10+ year vets. It's just not that cut and dried. Experience doesn't trump everything. I came from a 14 year law enforcement career and I knew a lot of "experienced" officers who were lazy and would approach vehicles with that "meh nothing will ever happen to me" attitude. Officers fresh out of school weren't like that. Again, experience often breeds laziness. Not saying it's that way for everybody, but I've seen it first hand. To claim that highly experienced drivers will ALWAYS make the best trainers is simply a false statement.Click to expand...Click to expand... -
ladr said: ↑he may have been of the type that a "truck driver" should just know some things automatically. I am like that but see the error of my thinking on a daily basis.Scott72 said: ↑My partner been driving for 22 years and trust me....he did not make a good trainer.Click to expand...
you made it through his mentoring it seems and may be better off because of it.surely he offered something beneficial.Click to expand... -
Scott72 said: ↑Scott, we don't agree on this , that's obvious...but no-where in this entire conversation did I say experience conquers all. No-where..Also I never once made the claim that highly experienced drivers will always make the best trainers.....if I did please quote the post number and page. I'm in agreement with you on the fact that some 30 year vets could use an attitude adjustment..that's a fact. Your attitude is one of arrogance...got that from being a LEO...part of the job description , Ive heard it called many things...but the attitude comes with the badge...I say that with respect too , I have lots of respect for LEO's as long as the attitude is kept in check. I do take exception with your idea that experience breeds laziness though...Just like in the law enforcement profession vets tend to be more relaxed maybe...same for some drivers...but when that begins to happen then that particular driver needs to re-think his career...once you think start thinking you know it all , you become not only a danger to your own safety , but to others as well. We might agree on some stuff , but not on the fact that someone with less than 1 years experience is just as qualified as a DRIVER WHO HAS HAD A 30 plus year CAREER WITH OUT ANY ACCIDENTS AT ALL...THERE ARE LOTS OF US THAT REACHED THAT GOAL.....LOTS OF PATIENCE and some luck along the way helped , but the fact that we spent all that time doing it meant all the difference...You aren't ever gonna agree with me that's fine.....but think about this....how would you react if one of us older hands , fresh out of the police academy , started telling you ( a 14 year veteran officer ) how to go about your affairs as a LEO. I'm sure you wouldn't like it , and would inform that person that he didn't really know enough about the job to tell a 14 year vet anything....just making a comparison. I'll back out and not comment on this thread again....I'm sorry for being disrespectful if I was....not intended that way at all.....I sincerely hope & pray that you and the OP have long and successful careers in trucking. If yours is as good as mine was you'll retire a happy , healthy guy. Good luck & God's Speed...TTTDTonythetruckerdude said: ↑It's just funny to think that all of these guys with less than 5 years seem to know so much more....Roadrealtor no one has said that that they were "better" THAN YOU....MORE QUALIFIED ...YES...BUT NOT BETTER. I just can't get over the arrogance and over-confidence that some of these rookies have.
I think you need to re-read the thread. The arrogance is coming from the older vets, not the trainers. I came in here to answer the OP's question, which I did, then the flaming began. Nothing arrogant about what I said. It's not being arrogant because I don't agree with everything you all said. As I said, there are a lot of "30 yr vets" that could benefit from some serious re-training. Please stop acting like your precious experience conquers all. Sometimes experience breeds laziness. Many times us newer drivers are still practicing how we've been trained and are still doing the little things like GOAL and flashers on while we back and so on. I know a handful of seasoned vets who think they're above all that stuff, therefore that's how they train.
All I'm saying is if you lined up ten 10+ year vets, then ten 1-2 year drivers side by side, I wouldn't always choose the 10+ year vets. It's just not that cut and dried. Experience doesn't trump everything. I came from a 14 year law enforcement career and I knew a lot of "experienced" officers who were lazy and would approach vehicles with that "meh nothing will ever happen to me" attitude. Officers fresh out of school weren't like that. Again, experience often breeds laziness. Not saying it's that way for everybody, but I've seen it first hand. To claim that highly experienced drivers will ALWAYS make the best trainers is simply a false statement.Click to expand...Click to expand...
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