Volvo & DME

Discussion in 'Volvo Forum' started by maxicruise, Feb 13, 2014.

  1. maxicruise

    maxicruise Light Load Member

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    Read an article yesterday about Volvo coming out next year with a production D13 running DME. No DPF, No EGR, No VGT, and No SCR at this time. Talk about sweet! Some trucks are already running in a test. Anyone heard about this?
     
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  3. Pablo-UA

    Pablo-UA Road Train Member

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    DME tank is really like LPG tank. a bit havier thn gas tank, becouse DME is under pressure.

    Yep, DME trucks are used, but limited use becouse of where will u fill its tank?
     
  4. nutcase

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    Will be limited in application because DME availability will be limited. Natural gas is getting all the attention and investment. They should skip all the BS and go straight to DME. Makes a lot more sense to me. No need for a $60,000 engine upgrade.
     
  5. 25(2)+2

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    The pipeline explosion last summer in northern IL was a natural gas pipeline being used to move dimethyl ether. It is produced with natural gas, so I'm guessing production of it goes on when the demand for gas for heating fuel is low.

    I read a few years back in Scientific American about a clean compression ignition (diesel)engine burning this gas in city use, but I can't find the short news article again, it can be done and is.

    CNG is being used now from stations equipped to deliver it and from bio gas at at least one huge dairy operation in Indiana. That dairy is called Fair Oaks
     
  6. Pablo-UA

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    NG is available in Russia and USA, in EU they just started building NG industry, so IMO 3-5 years later CNG engines will be popular worldwide
     
  7. Jokingypsy

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    What is DME? What are the differences both good and bad over LNG / CNG or propane?

    Adam
     
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    DME (dimethyl ether) is a clean, colorless gas that is easy to liquefy and transport. It has remarkable potential for increased use as an automotive fuel, for electric power generation, and in domestic applications such as heating and cooking.
    DME can be derived from many sources, including renewable materials (biomass, waste and agricultural products) and fossil fuels (natural gas and coal).
    DME has been used for decades in the personal care industry (as a benign aerosol propellant), and is now increasingly being exploited for use as a clean burning alternative to LPG (liquefied petroleum gas), diesel and gasoline.

    Like LPG, DME is gaseous at normal temperature and pressure, but changes to a liquid when subjected to modest pressure or cooling. This easy liquefaction makes DME easy to transport and store. This and other properties, including a high oxygen content, lack of sulfur or other noxious compounds, and ultra clean combustion make DME a versatile and promising solution in the mixture of clean renewable and low-carbon fuels under consideration worldwide.
     
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    DME has a higher Cetane rating than diesel, and the plus over the propane methane complex is lower pressures and can be used in diesels as the fuel source, not a supplement just to be burned with regular diesel fuel.

    Dimethyl ether is one compound produced in diesel fuel during the process of adding bio esters and methanol to diesel fuel to make biodiesel. It's one of the reasons bio tends to burn cleaner with less soot.
     
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    EGR is meant to reduce NOX by reducing peak combustion temperatures, and SCR removes it downstream, in the exhaust, after it is produced by combustion.

    They can get a pass on all of it for the small numbers of test vehicles involved, just as farm and industrial machines get a pass for small numbers of machines using an engine so large that a compliant engine is cost prohibitive to develop because of low numbers.

    What they end up with is only a guess at best, as the article stated in other ways. The DD15 TC uses a standard non waste gated turbo, and it is much noticed by someone who has been running diesels for over 40 years. I never did like the variable geometry turbo much at all, even in a Series 60 Detroit. I'm not sure what they did with the DD15 Evolution engine, but asymmetrical doesn't sound like variable geometry to me.

    DME also sounds good to me, other than seeing that fire way to the north in IL last summer, I think the danger of explosion for any alternative fuel, but especially pressurized gas, is being blown off.

    The best thing would be if the stuff takes off better than LNG, but the investment and promotion going into that will go a long way towards making it 'work'.
     
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