I own a custom cabinet company and do installs across the country. Bought a 16' box truck under 26k gvrw. I'm confused about hours of service while installing, say I deliver cabinets and now I'm installing do I mark on or off duty? If I'm on my way home am I exempt from hours or service since I don't have any freight? Or are my tools considered freight? Also I only travel out of my 150 mile radius once or twice a month, do I have to show 7 days of off duty before leaving or just 34 hrs as my restart or nothing just start record the day I start? Whole thing is confusing since I'm delivering and installing. Thanks
hos and duty classification
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by montanyewoodworks, Feb 25, 2014.
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That's a good question. The answers will be nothing short of entertaining. Personally I wouldn't log anything. You own the truck, technically the cabinets are yours until installed and paid for. Your tools are not considered freight.
As far as how to log the last 7 days. All the paper logs I've ever filled out had a box to list dates that you were off duty. If it doesn't then fill out one log sheet as off duty and below just write "last 7 days off duty" -
If under 100 air radius miles you do not have to log.
You may exceed that radius I believe one or twice a month without logging. Maybe some one else can pin it down to once a week or month.
Installing and you whole other work day is on duty.
Your tools are generally not considered freight that need a bill, cabinets are but some DOT officer may see it different.
Strangely no, if you do not return any freight or return to the shop you do not have to log driving. However time spent driving to shop even the next morning must be logged. Do not test this with the DOT also.
7 prior days must always be at hand.
I appears you can avoid this logging mess. -
Now is exceeding the air radius once a month is that for one day or once I leave home till I get back? As far as driving to shop the next morning why would I log that since I'm in the radius and don't need to keep a log for that? This current trip is about 2600 miles over 6 days.
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Make it easy on yourself get a uhaul put stuff in there go do what you need to do go back home no log book needed that way.
Swamprat55 Thanks this. -
You would log time spent working, but not driving, as on duty. Time spent driving to home or from your home to your business would be "off duty driving" (in the context of commuting -- not as in going home from an out of state customer).
Time spent driving from your home or business to a customer or other business-related trip would be "driving." And yes, you need to have 8 days of logs (current + previous 7) even if you have a reset.
But personally I wouldn't bother with a log book when you are within 200 miles. It'd be kinda like going 3mph over the speed limit -- you may get a ticket one day, but until then you'll have saved enough time to more than make up for it.
On the other hand, when you do have to go on a long trip I would start a log. The previous 7 days would, in all likelihood, be a figment of my imagination, but once underway I'd log legal just in case you got pulled into a scale/inspection.Swamprat55 Thanks this. -
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Yes I'm traveling across state lines. And when I go outside the 100 mile radius it's by alot. My home is in Minnesota and I'm in North Carolina working now.
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If you have a truck with 26,000 lbs or less GVWR you don't even need a CDL and are exempt from the regulations. The only requirements you must meet is have a Medical Card which you must self certify with your state's DMV and claim exempt status.
You must register your truck as a commercial vehicle, follow weight restrictions and go through scale houses. Hours of Service and logging you are exempt.
What state are you in? Some states have stiffer laws like a Class C CDL but you are still exempt from federal regulations if you don't haul passengers or hazmat.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=383.91 -
He wouldn't need to self certify his med card if he doesn't have a CDL http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/cdl/cdl-general-info.aspx
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