Replacing a Starter on a Peterbilt 387

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  1. terrylamar

    terrylamar Road Train Member

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    I replaced my starter. When I try to reconnect my batteries, they spark. I must have done something wrong. I replaced the starter with the exact same starter, all the wiring is exactly the same. I marked all the wires when I took it apart with colored zip ties. All but one, I noticed later. I put it where I thought it should go, perhaps that is the problem, I don't know. The starter is a Dixie Electric model 200-39102,
    it is a gear reduction high torque model and is wired differently that the stock starter. Does anyone have a wiring diagram or any idea what I may have done wrong?
     
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  3. Deezl Smoke

    Deezl Smoke Medium Load Member

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    How much, or how strong is the spark? If you have anything in the cab that has a clock or memory that requires constant power, it will cause a small spark when connecting the batteries. But if it is an ark that has a pop to it, you do have something crossed up somewhere. Always connect the positive first, then the ground.
     
  4. terrylamar

    terrylamar Road Train Member

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    It is welding strength, enough to melt the terminals if I didn't take the wires off immediately. Yes, I connected the Positive terminals first. There was only one wire in question. I missed marking it the first time around. I felt sure it went on the solenoid rather than the starter, perhaps I was wrong, now I'm not sure which wire it was.
     
  5. baha

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    Take em all off get test light an ck. them 1 by 1 till you find ones are hot and ground, alt. are not cheap.
     
  6. Deezl Smoke

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    If you have'nt had to time to fix it yet, take the cable back off and use a multi-meter to find which cable it ground.

    Not all meters will emit a sound, mine does, but the sign for the continuity is like this...
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    Most trucks that ground the starter with a cable, do so with a pretty short cable to the frame somewhere reasonably close to the starter.

    IMO, it seems that you must have the starter ground cable on the same terminal with one of the positive leads. It's easy enough to do when working in tight spaces with crud falling in your eyes.
     
  7. terrylamar

    terrylamar Road Train Member

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    That may help some, but I have seven different cables that go to two different connections, not counting any of the wires already running from the solenoid to the starter or vice versa or the special connections that I'm sure I didn't screw up because it is impossible to do so. I have three cables on the one starter terminal and four cables on the one solenoid terminal. This is wired differently than a standard starter/solenoid set up.

    http://www.dixie-electric.com/catalogue/img.asp?Unit=200-39102

    It won't let me post the picture.
     
  8. allan5oh

    allan5oh Road Train Member

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    There should be a wiring diagram that came with the starter. Sounds like you have the main positive and negatives mixed up, either at the starter or at the batteries. That doesn't look too different from a standard 39mt starter. Bottom large post on the body is negative, large post on top is positive. Don't use the middle post. There should also be the trigger wire to the magnetic switch, but that isn't the concern here.

    There's also likely a big negative coming from the engine block or the frame.
     
  9. Deezl Smoke

    Deezl Smoke Medium Load Member

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    Yes, I mostly understand. Before you take any cables off then, try the meter between the frame and each large terminal on the starter and solenoid. That may narrow it down to which terminal has the wrong cable to it.

    The large solenoid terminal, I believe, should only have hot cables to it. If you only have one large starter motor terminal, on a gear reduced setup, it may be a ground terminal. ? If this is the case, you can go back to the batteries and use the meter between the frame and the positive battery cable. If you have continuity, you have a hot and ground cable on a starter terminal. Determine which cable is ground and remove it from the terminal.

    One way or another, the meter will aid you in finding your short. It must be in a large cable to make such a large amp arc.
     
  10. truckmechanic

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    its wired up the same as your old starter just in a little diffrent way you need to trace every wire to find which ones are ground and which ones are positivethere should be a grouns from the frame to starter,block to starter,cab to starter and battery to starter, should be a power wire from circuit breaker to starter from alt,pos battery to starter.and one for main cab power feed, buy a power probe well worth the money i prefer it over my multi meter
     
  11. terrylamar

    terrylamar Road Train Member

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    There is only one post that a cable goes on the starter and only one post on the solenoid that cables go on. What I am failing to grasp is how can a hot wire and a ground wire go on the same post? Or do all hot wire go on either the starter or solenoid and all the ground wires go on the other post?

    This is the exact starter I took off, same manufacturer, same model number. It should be wired exactly the same. This is why I went to the trouble of finding this starter, I didn't want any wiring issues. But, guess what...?
     
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