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Can you buy a reverse glider?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Florida Playboy, Apr 4, 2014.

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  1. Apr 4, 2014 #1
    Florida Playboy

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    I was wondering if there are companies that build "reverse" gliders? Meaning you bring them an older truck and they install a new modern engine with DPF, DEF, the whole nine yards? Are such set ups CARB legal?
     
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  3. Apr 4, 2014 #2
    ironpony

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    Sure... but why would you want to? The usual approach is to find an older engine that is free from the vagaries of emissions equipment.

    The stories I've heard from Pittsburg Power putting say a CAT into a truck that had a Detroit are that is expensive, and there are a lot of problems because of the differences in the wiring necessary to make it work. Chances are they'd have to rip the entire engine wiring harness out, and start over. Interfacing to the cab wiring and dash instrument cluster is usually described as a nightmare.
     
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    skateboardman

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    is there such a nut out there that would want a truck like that?
     
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  5. Apr 4, 2014 #4
    bondoron

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    The reason for a glider is to get away from the emission crap and still have a "new" truck. What you want to do would bring the cost up to the point where you might as well buy new.
     
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  7. Apr 4, 2014 #5
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    been around enough drivers to say " Yes. theres probably more than one"
    LOL
     
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  8. Apr 4, 2014 #6
    wichris

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    Someone in CA was installing new emissions motors in their older Pete's and had pictures of it. Thought was in a thread here a few years ago.
     
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    dirthaller

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    I have a 2014 ISX15 550/1850 I'll trade for a 6NZ. Comes with all the emmisions and the DEF tank!
     
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  10. Apr 4, 2014 #8
    Florida Playboy

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    To have an older truck but still be California legal. If you stuck to the same engine manufacturer I don't think it would be a terribly complicated retro fit.

    I don't know about that. You can buy rigs from the late 90's/early 2000's for $10k-$15k, even less if not running. I don't know what a new motor costs with all the emissions jazz but I'm sure it is nowhere near the $115k or more price of a new truck.

    I think there would be demand if such a service was offered. Particularly the drivers who want to keep an older out of production truck like a Century Class or KW T600 but also need to be able to run into California. What about the really old stuff like from the 60's or 70's that a guy wants to actually still drive instead of just being a show truck? It would be interesting if somebody could chime in and say what a new Detroit or Cummins costs and the labor time to install it.
     
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    Tobytob

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    When rates hit pluto or venus in cali. I will purchase a newer emission truck until then, I'll stick with what I have.
     
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  12. Apr 4, 2014 #10
    ironpony

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    I wouldn't count on that. Knowing something about aircraft wiring, some of the systems on the DD15 in my Cascadia communicate over serial data busses... just like aircraft fly-by-wire systems. It's a completely different approach to moving electronic information around the truck by serial bus, than by exclusive point-to-point wiring found on older trucks.
     
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