Legalized Weed Issues ....

What makes you think you'd get a blood test driver...?
It's not your choice to what post drug test you'll submit to, from a accident with fatalities that a commercial truck was involved in.
All they'd have to do is test a few strains of your hair.
But you keep living in that" it won't happen to me world of an illusion" and test the waters as you deem necessary.
Anybody can boost test results and print something that appears,
"to good to be true" till you try it, and find out it's not really so.
Everyone's body chemistry is not the same, and you'd be the first to find that out when your test results come back positive, because you believed you would pass the test, based on some crazy chart that told you so.
So you stand there and make yourself look silly, trying to plead, "it's my constitutional right not submit to a drug test" as they laugh locking you up for not complying.
There's another study just released "casual pot smoking does effect your brain".
Would you say they were hanging out with the same group that did your study you hold true to being right....?
Yes I asked how would you proof that your not impaired, I didn't read just what your method of madness would be.
The positive test results that it's in your body would say, your impaired while driving, and that's a factor to the accident.
You put yourself in the "kangaroo court" and lost, just a little goes a long way.

 

Go back and read what I said. You asked how I would prove I wasn't impaired. I said a blood test. Whether they accept the results or not has nothing to do with me proving I was not impaired.

Oh, they would? Please share a link showing when this would be done. Because as far as I can find, carriers are not even allowed to substitute hair follicle testing for urine testing when it comes to DOT mandated drug testing. --Carriers can do hair testing in addition to urine testing, but not instead of.

If the FEDS are doing hair testing I would like to read about it.

What in the world are you talking about? You asked a hypothetical question, I answered it. Then you asked ANOTHER hypothetical question, and I answered it.

Where do you come up with thinking I am "testing the waters?

Did you even look at the chart? The time lines have quite a spread. Anyone with a little common sense can see it is a guideline.

But since you are such an authority on the subject, you tell me how long someone will test positive after smoking weed.

What are YOU smoking? When did I ever say any such thing?

 

I gave up when it became obvious that comprehension is not one of his strong suits and all those straw man fallacies and illogical conclusions started to appear...I think I have the perfect photo.






















Little Eddy

 

The fed's have set the guide lines for post accident drug testing I'm assuming you know the criteria for which drug test can be use when fatalities happen ?
This is not your simple urine test like a random, or pre-employment your correct, hair and the blood test could all happen from the accident, weather the truck driver was at fault or not.
If you demonstrate bad driving skills in your personal car, you'll drive the same way behind the steering wheel of your truck.
I have no medical expertise, and don't find a need to research how long MJ will stay in my system after smoking some, or continue smoking MJ on a regular basis, on my days off.
I'm an expert driver, my years in this industry, the equipment I've handled over those years, leaves me to be 1 Blessed individual to still be in this life with good health.
I've got more years of driving experience then your age. ( 43 )
When I was a freight hauler with C F I was on the "Truck Rodeo Team", came in third place in Rockford Illinois, that was sponsored by former Truck Rodeo Champions. (no power steering during that time, it was considered a luxury option)
I drive like I stole it, when road conditions favor wide open driving, I'm not talking just flat land interstate.
There 3 states in the pacific northwest I've never hauled freight in, I've been in all the rest, and several Canadian Provinces.
In "metro expressway" heavy traffic area's I find a measure of driving that prevents the "stop n go" movement just to keep 4 wheelers from entering my space cushion.
Tool along with minimal stop n go on the truck till traffic opens up type of thing.
When I read your thread about how 4 wheelers always cut you off, and you have to drive aggressively or your never going to get where you going, my opinion driver...you let everyone else that's out there "stress you out" you have no control over the motoring public that's out there with you....!
So you have it your way in this thread, everyone I'm sure can read for themselves, formulate their own method of operation that keeps them, and everyone that's around them SAFE, that's what it's all about Safe Driving Skills.
The advances, and technology in the equipment today have produced good operating trucks, but there are more truck accidents then ever before.
It's not always 4 wheeler responsibility for these truck accidents.
The beginning was deregulation of trucking, that allowed everybody who wanted into this industry to do so, with "shot gun" truck driving schools that told new drivers they were "pro experts, with 8 weeks of experience.
When there's a group of drivers, who think there going get the Fed's to change regulation on illicit drugs in your system because MJ is being legalized by the states, I'm here to tell you it will never happen.
In closing, you keep on living that "pipe dream" with MJ, and trying to beat the system that you won't get caught driving with it in your system.
My prayer is if you should "self destruct, you don;t take innocent bystanders along with you.
Happy Trails To You...!

FYI C F was Consolidated Freightways, now Conway.
You had to be willing to train for doubles from the carrier if didn't have
previous experience.
There were no endorsements that's in place today.

 

Winner's Never Quit....!

Quitter's Never Win...!

 

After reading all the posts contained within this thread I feel compelled to mention how much I appreciate your candor. Not everyone would admit that they had smoked marijuana back in the day in an attempt to convince those trying to infiltrate your head with ridiculous, insignificant facts concerning the testing methods now being utilized and implemented to apprehend those who show no outward signs associated with being under the influence of a controlled substance. Just because a Big truck truck driver's ability to perform their duties proficiently and safely isn't compromised, that doesn't make any difference in the eyes of the law. It's a good thing that justice is blind. Otherwise those who test positive for the presence of a metabolite that has nothing to do with impairment might present that fact in court and be acquitted of any wrongdoing. They might even point out that if the same principle as the test administered to detect the presence of the metabolite THC-COOH in a Big truck truck driver's system were to be implemented and administered to detect the presence of metabolites associated with the presence of alcohol in the system days, maybe weeks, after the actual consumption, --- as though that makes any difference.

I suppose those who champion changing the present testing criteria to a method more indicative to the accuracy of determining to what degree, if any, a Big truck truck driver's abilities are impaired, would call that fair. But just because controlled studies conducted to gather facts concerning the effect(s) of THC have concluded that the classification of marijuana as being a dangerous drug is unfounded and without merit, is that any reason to change the laws that are based on inaccurate information? The law is the law and that's that. Anyone who tests positive has broken the law and should be punished to the full extent of the law. If they've broken one law chances are they'll brake any law proven to be unfair. I'm sure you can imagine how that could affect society, not to mention the backlash the courts might experience when those convicted of committing the crime of being under the influence of marijuana contend that their civil rights have been violated along with false conviction and imprisonment. Jails and prisons could experience a reduction of inmates. That's lost revenue for cities, counties and states that depend on the profits derived through the warehousing of people. Can you imagine the chaos that could be created when thousands of lawbreakers are turned loose on a technicality? No doubt they'd all be repeat offenders if the offense they repeated was still against the law. There are those who would find satisfaction in beating the system. Others might see it as avoiding the punishment they think is deserved, and don't let mere facts persuade them to change their way of thinking, --- especially when they've thought the same way for decades.

Anyway, ........................
I also wanted to mention your contribution of detailed information concerning just fessing up.
Obviously you're quite familiar with how that works and aren't afraid to admit it.

Some winners never really win
and
Some quitters never really quit
and
Some quitters, really win when they quit
and
Some winners really quit when they win
and
This gets complicated,.......................

I prefer the Tortoise and the Hare.

 

Thank you for your response, I made a choice before drug testing of truck drivers was mandated not to smoke or do drugs that could impair my ability to drive.
I believe it was when drug testing was going to be required, that carrier's during safety meetings told their drivers what was coming down the road from the Fed's.
I offer my opinion on this subject based on my own experiences with factual information for those to formulate their own agenda, to protect their livelihood for themselves, and their families.
The "on scene investigation" of the head on crash I was involved in on the 4th of April in Caledonia Ohio, left "no stone unturned" by the Ohio State Patrol.
It was entering the 4th hour since the time of the crash that the state patrol was ready to allow tow equipment to position themselves to separate the vehicles, and clean up the closed roadway.
They also deemed from that point of the investigation they would have me submit to a urine drug test, which they conducted, and my carrier was responsible to have me take a breathalyzer test, which was the 1st stop after leaving the accident site, with the 2 company officials who drove to the accident site.
Where would I be if I continued my ways from "back in the day" driving truck, and smoking pot.
It's all about choices that every driver has to make, at sometime or another.

 

I'm a little older then that. I've been around the block a few times myself, driver. I earned my CDL in 1989.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you can handle your rig just fine. But you aren't driving on a closed course and you can't control the people around you. When you drive like you stole it, you absorb your safety cushion.

Now when someone makes a poor decision in front of you, or you have a mechanical failure, there is no room to react or compensate. -- Not very professional in my opinion.

Frankly, I would rather share the road with a driver who smoked a joint on his day off then with some driver out here "driving like he stole it".

You are quoting my comment in your post so I have to assume you are commenting to me. So, seriously... When have I EVER claimed, or insinuated 4 wheelers always cut me off???

Again, what in the world makes you think I am trying to beat the system? I very, very rarely even drink alcohol. It's probably been better then 6 months since I have done so.

I am simply an advocate for a testing system that detects drivers that are under the influence NOW. Not a system that can only tell they have consumed at some unknown point in the past.

You mean, all the back and forth warning to me about being subjected to hair follicle testing... And YOU weren't even subjected to it after a recent accident? WoW. ok.

But regardless, Sorry to hear about your accident, driver.

 

I just love it! Keeps the Forum active. The real deal. A few puffs after you stop at night won't bother anyone. Sleep makes it inert. Seen drivers pour Whiskey in their thermos. Those guys We need to get rid of. Don't make an issue over something that is not.

 

I lost my job over a drug test. Ate at some burger joint. Had poppy seeds on the bun. Employer took the "Doctor's" results over my word. I smile. Must be hard being an xxx. Should thank them, I'm an O/O.