PRIME Drivers... What's your 20? (2)

Discussion in 'Prime' started by ironpony, Jun 4, 2013.

  1. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    Sazook, I've done it both ways. By far I make more money containing my costs (i.e. going slower) than trying to stuff another trip into a week. Yep, sometimes I have to run fast for schedule reasons, and sacrifice profit for getting there when sales hallucinates that it can be done. Occasionally I can drop early... try that at most places these days. The only way pushing it hard really works is if you need miles to make the pennies they pay company guys with turn into dollars.

    Had breakfast with SE and his student at the yard this morning... nice to see you guys. Effingham at the PEEtro.
     
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  3. cabwrecker

    cabwrecker The clutch wrecker

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    Sitting in west Memphis. Anyone hit that nasty crap on 40 in Tennessee today? One hell of a rainstorm to be sure.
     
  4. sazook

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    Read it again IP my first sentence says the drivers were running the same speed. What I'm talking about is when you get a load that has some extra time on it, the most efficient thing to do for your hours is to run it straight thru, and not try to make your days shorter, since you'll get those hours back faster.
     
  5. Chucktaylor

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    It totally makes sense to use as many hours as efficiently as possible today than to put off using them tomorrow. Barring the restart, Its a finite amount of hours. 70 in 8 day period. The hours you use today are the hours you get back 8 days from now.

    When running on recap hours, 8 days minus 70 hours is the exact same number hours sitting as the guy who runs out his 70 in 6 days or the guy who paces it at 8.75 hours per day. Both driver have equal number of hours to work... 70 in 8 days.

    Speed is the only factor anyone can change in the equation to be available to do more work... Speed is not the question here.

    So when you hit that 70 limit (it doesn't matter when you hit that limit in 8 days), and you are looking at your recap for hours, would you rather look to be getting 11 hours back? or 8.75?

    Its very simple, why put off running hours till tomorrow when you can run them today and get them back one day sooner?
     
  6. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    Because eventually you are going to exhaust your 70, or hit a very short day. By having that 8 to 9 hours available after midnight every day, you're going to be able to continue running. BTW, loads with mucho extra hours? That's a problem for teams or times of no freight. If my FM pulls that on me, I'll be looking for a drop yard and we'll have a discussion. That's not a problem with O... he understands how to dispatch a solo, and I make the both of us a big pile of wampum. Consistant utilization is the name of the game.
     
  7. Easy Steamer

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    Got throught the nut house in SPRIMO today, got a 24" step box on, and drives rotated, They are out of chains, new and used.
    Now I am sitting in Bentonville AR. right across the street from wally world headquarters with no trailer. Prime computer said there were four at my drop. No prime at all except the one I brought in, So off to the other DC, 3 loaded, none empty, so Off to Tyson in Rogers where they nicely told me to take a hike, they needed 4 more. So here I sit till morning when someone grows some big enough to tell me to bobtail to springfield so I can make my appt at the caves. Lovely day:biggrin_2556::biggrin_25523:
     
  8. sazook

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    Lets put it like this, 2 drivers, both with 70 hours (we will call it 3250 miles + time for fuel/breaks) worth of freight that they can run however they want. Driver A runs it at 8.75 hours a day and takes 8 days to do it. Driver B runs it 11 on 10 off and does it in 5 and a half days. In this situation, Driver B either has to sit for 2.5 days or take a 34 hour restart. Looking at both of these situations:

    Sitting for 2.5 days: If Driver B must do this, after sitting for 2.5 days, he will have run 70 hours over the previous 8 days, the exact same amount of time as Driver A. However, while Driver A will only get back 8.75 hours at midnight, Driver B will get between 11 and 14, depending on his start time on day 1. Hence, in this situation, Driver B is in a better position than Driver A with the EXACT same amount of mile driven over the previous 8 days.

    34 Hour reset: If Driver B is able to take a 34 hour restart, he could possibly have a fresh 70 at 0500 on the 8th day, while Driver A is still running the original set of freight, this would actually allow Driver B to run more than 70 hours in the 8 day period. The worst case scenario is that he would get a fresh 70 at 0500 on the 9th day, meaning he would have a fresh 70 while Driver A was getting back 8.75 hours a day, again leaving him in a better position.
     
  9. ironpony

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    If you're doing coast-to-coast runs. 3250 miles in 8 days? I used to do that pretty regularly when I was on the company side, and I was a tired puppy most of the time. If I were on the company side, I'd be wanting more miles... a whole lot more miles, and I'd be pushing the speed up too.

    OTOH, on the lease/owner-op side, I want LESS miles... a whole lot less. Miles = costs. And frankly anything over 800 miles usually means that the per-mile rate took a dive. That means I'm working harder for less money.

    Profit = Gross Revenue - Fixed Cost Per Day * Days on load - Variable Cost Per Mile * Miles.

    Minimizing the days on load and the miles increases my bottom line. Now there's a limit to that based on what you can squeeze out of a given customer. But the point is the chumps grab at the big gross revenue and the big miles (which inevitably have lower per-mile rates AND higher costs)... while shorter loads (even at lower gross revenue figures) mean you can squeeze more under the bottom line. Having that regular 8.75 or something like that coming back at midnight, plus whatever you have in the bank means that you can go get that next load... not sit for 2.5 days.
     
  10. sazook

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    OK.. I have said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT DRIVING FASTER, NOTHING!

    On an 800 mile 2 day load for example, on what planet would it be advantageous the next week, for that driver to get back his hours 8/8 instead of 11/5?
     
  11. ironpony

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    Because the 5-hour day means you have a REAL short day coming up when you probably could have used the 8. Like today fer instance. Sitting in Effingham tonight, when I could have been over in Ohio... but I took your advice instead. DRAT!
     
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