Hydrogen Assist

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Lepton1, Oct 30, 2014.

  1. haulhand

    haulhand Road Train Member

    My uncle ran one on his ruck for years. When it worked it gained him around .8 mpg the keyword is when it worked. It was very hard to keep the plates from corroding and not breaking the water down as far as water freezing the tank and lines have a warmer much like a DEF system.
     
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  3. Lepton1

    Lepton1 Road Train Member

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    Thanks! That's the kind of feedback needed.
     
  4. Salted

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    You also have to remember with salt water your content of salt will remain constant so as heat from the sun or any other type of heat would cause your water to evapporate which inturn could cause you to put more salt into your system then you would like
     
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    Don't do it. It's been proven not to work.
     
  6. Hammer166

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    Go thru Dice's thread, I think he tried one once upon a time. And you can't add salt, as it makes the non-conductive distilled water into a very efficient conductor, resulting in a direct short.
     
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    Pepsi has been using some type of these systems for years now. Not sure what results they are getting , but about every road truck has a sign on the door stating its on there.
     
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    I tried various way's to find that thread, and I'd love to read through it. Could you post a link?
     
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    Thanks Hammer! I'm off to sleeper berth now, but definitely have some reading to do. So far I've noted Dice1 has Pittsburgh Power turbo and exhaust, which is something my brother will also be adding to his rig this month.
     
  11. ironpony

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    Here's the deal as I see it. Pumping hydrogen into a cylinder is going to add energy to the power stroke, there's no argument with this at all. Most of these systems were designed and tested out on the low-displacement diesels that they put in pickup trucks. The stuff works just fine there... and even on some larger diesels like you put in local delivery trucks.

    The problem comes in when you move to a high-displacement 15-liter engine used in our road tractors. Now the system has to produce a heckaofa lot more hydrogen to make any difference at all. And that folks, is the problem. Electrolosys is a rather inefficient way to produce hydrogen... it takes a lot of energy to break the chemical bond in a water molecule, and as you scale the equipment up to make enough for a 15-liter engine it gets big and heavy. So you have two things working against you now... the need for a lot of electricity, and added weight. Since the electricity comes from the engine-driven alternator, you have to produce more power (using more fuel) to generate the electricity to make the hydrogen, and carry the extra weight around. Many of the hydrogen systems over the years just don't generate enough hydrogen to make a measurable difference in your fuel economy, and what it good it does goes to the energy deficit created by the need for electricity and carting more weight around.

    KR has tested hydrogen systems, and found little to no improvement over the years. No matter what you might think of him, his testing methods are rigorous, and thorough. If you're going to put one of these things on your truck, make sure you aren't doing any other changes, and the best time to do it is late spring so you don't have changing weather conditions masking what's going on. Make sure you have a good baseline for your fuel economy before you start, and keep meticulous records of your fuel purchases. Lookin' at the ECM readout on your dash really isn't going to tell you anything. Good luck, but from what I've seen, it's a waste of money. You're better off sinking that cash into improvements at Pittsburgh Power.
     
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