Back up lights on cab
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by musicgal, Nov 13, 2014.
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Never had that checked, I doubt...
DOT would have to be very, very anal if they ask You for this light... -
I would say no ... because it is not required equipment...???
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If it's on the truck it has to work,in 20 years only know one driver that has been wrote up for it. But yes they can.
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Thank you......my son's company said that those lights not working would not get him a ticket and did not justify being broke down in the shop for repair while under a load. My son is a new driver (been solo for 2 weeks) and without those lights he has been having a hard time getting under his trailer.....can you get me the DOT regulation for this because I don't have the time right now (or my book) to look this up.
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Ive been inspected many times and that's one lite the dot has never looked at.I've never had to need it mainly because I always forget theres a lite there.I wouldn't think it would take but a few minutes to replace bulb.Talk to your son and see if he can do it himself.Theres going to be times a lite on his trk goes out and his company will want him to replace it.
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I wouldn't worry about fixing it one the road,especially with labor rates nowadays. As was said 99.9% of dot will never check. The driver I know who got wrote up never can keep his mouth shut. When dealing with the dot NEVER say anything more than you have to. As for reg. not sure of number but is the same as a chicken light,not required equipment but if it's there it has to work.
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I think he's right; if it's on the truck it has to work. I got wrote up for the rear license plate light not working on a '97 FLD. Had to replace the light to get it signed off. Then I removed it. Was at the chickenhouse north of Gilroy in Ca.
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I found this with just a little search on google.
https://www.teamrunsmart.com/articles/truck-smart/september-2012/chicken-lights-and-federal-regulations
"It is a long held belief that any lights that are installed on a commercial motor vehicle, particularly truck manufacturer installed lights, must be capable of operation, day or night. More often than not, old school drivers know this to be true, the young drivers they are training are taught this to be true and many mechanics believe this to be the law, including those who are inspectors performing the DOT required annual Periodic Inspection. Indeed, many law enforcement officers will issue a citation for any light on a CMV that is not operable.
The real truth lies within the federal regulation located at Title 49, Part 393, Subpart B. All of the required lamps for each class of CMV are located in Table 1 of §393.11. Any lamp not shown in Table 1 is, therefore, not required. This would include fog lights, running lights, chicken lights, decorative or other accessory lighting.
Paragraph 393.9(a) states: All lamps required by this subpart shall be capable of being operated at all times. This paragraph shall not be construed to require that any auxiliary or additional lamp be capable of operating at all times. This regulation is one of the rare regulations that not only state a requirement, it tells us what lights are not required.
Why is this information important? Mechanics certified to perform Periodic Inspections have been known to fail the inspection because of an inoperative non-required lamp. Of course you could receive a pass after the shop charges the driver an obscene amount to replace a burned-out lamp. Worse yet, an ill-informed law enforcement officer might cite you for an inoperative fog light during a level I roadside inspection. This would not only result in a fine, the logging driver would receive 2 CSA points on the drivers score and the carrier would get the 2 CSA points applied to the carrier rating. The fine may stick but now that you know that the inoperative fog light does not violate a federal regulation, you may challenge the CSA points using the DataQ process at dataqs.fmcsa.dot.gov.
My comments arent to suggest that a driver should not worry about an inoperative lamp. Any obvious defect, violation or not, is a conspicuous invitation for a diesel cop to inspect the truck for other defects that could lead to an out of service order."
Since those lights are not on the required list, then they don't have to be operable.
TheDude1969, Big Don, okiedokie and 5 others Thank this. -
I don't intend to be rude, but I'd expect anyone with a CDL to handle a lamp change. Shutting down while under a load for such a silly reason is unacceptable.
Christmas is coming, I hope he finds a flashlight in his stocking!TwinStickPeterbilt and thelastrebel Thank this.
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