Specing an older truck for B-train

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  1. Dusty Boots

    Dusty Boots Bobtail Member

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    Have my eye on an early 90's T800 with a 400hp Cummins in it and 15spd that could use a bit of TLC but the price is right and it would just be a farm tractor and dad and I don't mind getting a little greasy fixing something up right. I want it to pull a set of B- trains at harvest and for the short haul to the elevator, but I'm not sure what the rear end ratio of this truck is or what the best ratio for this application would be. I know trucks of this era pulled trains (140k) but I have no idea what ratio/tranny combos were popular back then. I have in mind to stick an 18spd in it if we get it, but I was just curious of your guys opinions on the best way to make this truck work for me, or if it's even worth it. Thanks fellas.

    Edit: I forgot to mention it has 24.5 tires, I know that plays a part in determining in ratio
     
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  3. Richter

    Richter Road Train Member

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    what speeds are you trying to go and how long are the trips? In general, a higher number rear end will give you a lower first gear to help you get off the line, but also a lower top speed. If nto driving to far its not a big deal.
     
  4. 04 LowMax

    04 LowMax Medium Load Member

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    400 is pretty light for a super b. I've used a 425 cat a few times, and even that's a struggle to get it up to highway speeds. But it does work. I think that with the old 400 though you might be a bit of a speed bump. These Alberta highways have gotten crazy the last few years with the volume of both heavy and light traffic, and it all seems to want to do 110km +. I pull super b with close to 600 hp and I've often got a convoy behind me. I don't think going to an 18 is going to make that big a difference, you just don't have the power there for 8 axles. I'd look for something with more power. Just my thoughts!
     
  5. magoo68

    magoo68 Road Train Member

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    I agree with lowmax unless engine is tweaked a bit I think you would be stuck doing 90 km/h or less on a windy day fully loaded in winter .. The one I drove a few weeks ,back in the late 90's took a long time to get going with a tridem in winter when the wind was strong .. 15 speed will be good In the fields due to low gear reduction but you will miss the splits of a 18 in the higher gears with small power PS you may want to ask in the Canadian forum. More people would be familiar with the weights you will be pulling and have gearing suggestions
     
  6. JohnP3

    JohnP3 Road Train Member

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    You do want to check with the Highway patrol or the licencing guys to find out if there is a HP requirement for a "B" train, 400 is not legal in our area, B.C. and Alberta
     
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  7. Dusty Boots

    Dusty Boots Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for the replies fellas. Top speed would be 100kmh max (60mph) and I dont have very far to go, 25 miles for the furthest of the three elevators. I wouldn't mind having some fun to see if I could squeeze some more power out of it, but I may take your advice and keep looking for something a little more substantial, which is why I asked. If I remember correctly though B-trains started becoming popular in the early 90's for custom haulers and the big power and 18 spds didn't really show up in significant numbers until later in the decade. So those guys couldn't have been using a whole lot more than 400hp and probably 13 and 15 spds mostly, I could be mistaken though. Thanks for your help, as usual fellas.
     
  8. Ezrider_48501

    Ezrider_48501 Road Train Member

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    it could probably be done with a 400 and gears in the 4.10-4.33 range. esp with being short haul and slow speed. if you could bump the hp up to better than 450 preferably more in the 500+ range i think you would be happier though.
     
  9. Dusty Boots

    Dusty Boots Bobtail Member

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    Yeah I was thinking AT LEAST 4.33 gears, how difficult would it be to get 500hp out of that motor? And how long would it survive? I'm pretty sure it's a big cam 4 and I've heard that people weren't crazy about the low flow cooling or something, would that be compounded at higher hp or would I have to convert the cooling system in order to reliably get that extra power? Thanks for all the replies fellas, and please forgive my ignorance.
     
  10. SmokinCAT

    SmokinCAT Road Train Member

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    Yes the low flow issues will be worse if you added power, my opinion would be to convert to high flow and then find a radiator and air to air from a truck that had a cat in it, you will then be able to also convert the engine to air to air and that will help with power.

    Depending on the CPL it should be fairly easy to get the power but most likely won't be cheap as most likely that engine has STC injectors.

    Ideal gearing would put your cruise rpm between 16-1700 with a big cam and you cannot be afraid to use the rpm of the engine to get up to speed.
     
  11. 04 LowMax

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    A couple final thoughts, if you start doing all these changes, inc. changing diff ratios, it's going to be a money pit. There are way too many newer used trucks out there for sale fairly cheap that make good farm trucks, with enough power. But, if you want to do it as sort of a hobby/project truck, and don't mind a few thousand here and a few thousand there, that's up to you. The other thing, is that in the 20-25 years since b trains started, the traffic volume has probably almost doubled. I remember being able to drive from edmonton to calgary with high beams on much of the time because there was no oncoming. (Well, ok that was in the 70's lol). But things to consider anyhow.
     
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