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Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by HoyBoy53, Jan 2, 2015.

  1. HoyBoy53

    HoyBoy53 Bobtail Member

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    Been driving as company driver for 2.5 years and want to buy a truck and lease on with someone.

    Found a truck I don't want to pass up. 2007 KW T600 - New long block 550 Cat 200,000 miles ago with unlimited mile warranty that expires in 18 months.
    Transmission was rebuilt and new clutch at the same time. There were other things fixed at the same time but I don't remember just what those things were.
    I did look at the shop invoice and the details of the work. Total bill was over 44K.
    Just recently the front end was all gone through and new brake shoes and drums were installed.
    Tires look good as well - at least for a years worth of running I'd say.
    I was able to talk to the previous owner that had the truck from the point when the truck had 100000 miles on it.
    He got it when it was repoed from the original owner.
    The truck is spotless inside.
    My gut tells me that this truck should probably be good for a year or two without any big issues.

    I'll be starting with next to nothing as a cash reserve. I know that nothing is guaranteed, but don't you think I'd have a good chance of success becoming an O/O
    buying this truck and leasing on with someone?

    I've been working with two companies, each with a different pay structure.
    I have reviewed the best estimates of costs versus revenue with both companies and on paper, it looks doable.

    What do you guys think?
     
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  3. Tobytob

    Tobytob Light Load Member

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    To Be honest, It's all trial and error. From what you stated plenty of drivers will say go for it. But the truth is, No matter what was done to that truck you won't know how it going to run until you have been under several loads.
    From My personal experience you're going to need at least 3-5k on reserve because anything can happen

    I'm not one to tell a person not to follow their dreams, Just make sure you can cover your self when you do make the Jump.
     
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    The statement highlighted above kills the deal for me.
     
  5. TomOfTx

    TomOfTx Road Train Member

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    Starting any business with no cash reserves, especially in trucking where your revenue stream is based on your equipment remaining operational, is very risky. Of course it may look good on paper, but reality is a different story. You will be taking on a lot more risk with limited return on investment. Why do you think so many carriers want lease operators as opposed to company drivers? To take away more of the risk and retain more profit.

    You didn't mention how much this 2007 KW would be purchased for. 18 month unlimited mileage warranty means squat if the truck is in the shop for weeks at a time and you have no revenue coming in, which will be far more money than the cost of repairs.

    Nothing personal, but do not be in such a hurry to be bankrupted the same way hundreds of thousands just like you who had the same pie in the sky dream but no cash available to cover expenses when the truck is not operational. Save up some money to cover at least 3 months worth of expenses and then you will have a much better chance of success.
     
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  6. ATX

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    Also, remember that your Accounts Receivable will probably have lag time that could put you in the hole while paying out for expenses with no cash flowing into your bank account.
     
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  7. upallnite

    upallnite Light Load Member

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    As pointed out above, the statement made is the one thing to consider overall. if you have very little to almost no reserve money set side, don't even think about trying the O/O game. There are more stories of failed O/Os because of money than successful ones. You seem smart enough to recognize this before jumping in. Good luck!!
     
  8. Straitliner

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    Is it possible to find a lesser priced truck that would leave you some operating income that is if you have some of your own cash to invest or do you want to finance the whole deal.
     
  9. lester

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    How many total miles? There's a lot more to a truck than motor and tranny
     
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    Hi HoyBoy, I agree with the others. When I bought my 1st truck, I had very little cash, but had a good line of credit. The 1st couple of months, I thought I was going to lose it. The truck had a recent major, but all kinds of little stuff, (broken springs, clutch, tires) almost did me in. I stuck it out, and it did get better, but taxes killed me, as I was too honest, and finally I sold the truck, and that was 20 years ago, I can't imagine how it is today. Don't despair, it can be done, and it was the greatest part of my career. Plan carefully, it takes a long time to get out of debt.
     
  11. HoyBoy53

    HoyBoy53 Bobtail Member

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    I'm confused with some of the responses - for example - lag time on accounts receivable ? When you lease your truck to a company do they not pay weekly? It certainly sounded that way when I talked to them. Next - lot more to a truck than engine and tranny. Engine, tranny, clutch.radiator, AC, brakes,front end components. From what I read and when I talked with the prior owner, the only major thing left would be the differentials. What did I miss? Three to five k in reserve is probably going to be where I'm at to start with. The truck remaining operational is my biggest concern. That was what made me like this truck. I looked at a lot of trucks with 700000 to 900000 miles on them for the same or less money and had not been overhauled yet. I felt that they were ticking time bombs just waiting to fail. I really thought that a truck that had so many things done at a reputable dealer would be the safer bet. I'm not trying to be argumentative - I just don't get the idea of buying a truck that seems more likely to need a major repair soon.
    I guess you might say I was betting that this truck was likely to not need any major repairs soon when nearly every other truck I could find seemed to have better odds having a failure that would almost certainly end in failure for me.
     
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