the dangers of trucking
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Danvitt, Mar 11, 2015.
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Well said Triple Six. Any "mouth breather" can "drive a truck "but to make a living at it is another thing entirely. There are so many ways to scuttle your career I can't even name them all. I can think of five guys that I know of....and it isn't even the driving part that got them.TripleSix said: ↑Ironic, isnt it? So easy even a caveman can do it. I remember hearing NASCAR drivers being called 'athletes'. I laughed, "Athletes? Whats so hard about driving a car around? It's not like playing football and basketball where skill is required." I got into sportscar racing and went to a track. Holy smokes, WHAT A BLAST!!!!!!!!!! I was sweating! All hyped up driving a 500+HP car that I built on the track. Arguably the most difficult, most energizing, most fun I ever had with clothes on. Love it...but if I had to do it all over again, I would want to learn in a car with half the power.
We're drivers. Is it unskilled? To the general braindead public, absolutely. You get people in here all the time asking about trucking because it seems like an easy job. Then they get here and all they hear about is how bad the companies are, how terrible a job it is, how dangerous, how low the pay is, and they think, "Perfect! If these morons can make a living at it, I should be able to excel! Those morons had bad things to say about CR England, but the rep at the school was so nice and knowledgeable. Answered all my questions and even treated me with respect! Sign me up! Even tho the majority of the morons say bad things, I will show them how successful I can be. I am not a stupid moron like those people Ive seen driving a truck." And we will all have a good laugh.
Every bit of trucking requires skill. Your lane is 12 ft wide, and your mirrors are 11 ft wide. So you come up on a rookie hogging the zipper that you need to pass. If his left steer is on the zipper, his left mirror has to be in your lane about 6 inches. So, you put your left steer on the fog line, and run that line for about a thousand feet perfectly. Easy to do? No. Remember, rookies hog the zipper. The natural inclination for people is to center their car on the road by means of the zipper. Hence, they hog the zipper.
On another thread, someone asked, "What is an experienced driver?" If you've ever pulled doubles, the first thing you notice is the rear trailer wagging all over. It's because you the driver are sawwing at the steering wheel. So, what is an experienced driver? Well, in the wiggle wagon arena, its a driver who can pull doubles without wiggling the rear trailer. For all truckers, the experienced driver is the driver who no longer has those 4 wheeler inclinations and reflexes. Tailgating? People in cars do it every day of the week. If your driving is stressful, its because you are tailgating. Do not tailgate and you will not experience high levels of stress in driving.
People in cars think that because they do not have an accident on their records means they are good drivers. Having a clean record does not mean you have skill. In order to be a good driver, you have to have skill.
How do I know I am skilled?
Noone notices you. That truck riding 15mph slower than the speed limit in the middle lane...think anyone notices him? Yeah, everyone notices him. Is he being safe? No, he's stupid...do not confuse safety with stupidity, thats how the politicians control the mindless. That truck going into the weigh station that cant read the sign that says MAINTAIN 45 MPH, and decides to be "safe" (stupid), do people notice him? That USA truck that everyone loves to show, trying to make a U on a 2 lane...before that, he probably thought of himself as a good driver.
If you can get in, get out, without impeding traffic for an incredible amount of time, or road rage, or cussing and moaning, make your pick or drop on schedule, it seems that noone notices. But thats a good driver that can plan and execute day in and day out in the trucking biz. Definitely skill is involved.
The goal isnt to do the job, the goal is to be good at what you do.Click to expand...
One guy got charged with Dangerous Driving in his personal vehicle....verdict was not guilty but it cost $20,000 in legal fees.
Another guy stood beside a load of pipe when he unstrapped and ruined his leg.
Another guy was a loud mouth know it all and he got beat up and found himself in a PA hospital.
Two more guys were killed by falling hay bales
No room for error in this business.Last edited: Mar 14, 2015
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And those are very valid points. It's the number one thing that worries me about switching careers. It's such a concern that I've decided a while back that once i get placed into a truck that I'm gonna put a sign on the dash as a reminder to "DO NOT GET COMPLACENT". I don't worry at all about me starting out because I will be over-focused on every small detail, I worry that later down the road I might get too comfortable. That's my greatest weakness and its where I see the real danger. I'm in no way downplaying any of this. I just noticed a common theme that any time someone makes post sooner or later someones gotta make a reply that "you'll die". I don't know if the guys responding are just trying to keep people out of the industry or if they are really that uptight and rigid. Makes me visualize a guy falling out an airplane screaming all the way down. Part way down he stops screaming, takes a breath, then screams some more. Now some of the post here makes me visualize a white knuckled version of this same guy driving a truckrank said: ↑Well said Triple Six. Any "mouth breather" can "drive a truck "but to make a living at it is another thing entirely. There are so many ways to scuttle your career I can't even name them all. I can think of five guys that I know of....and it isn't even the driving part that got them.
One guy got charged with Dangerous Driving in his personal vehicle....verdict was not guilty but it cost $20,000 in legal fees.
Another guy stood beside a load of pipe when he unstrapped and ruined his leg.
Another guy was a loud mouth know it all and he got beat up and found himself in a PA hospital.
Two more guys were killed by falling hay bales
No room for error in this business.Click to expand...
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Remember that discussion we had in the heavyhaul forum about dropping the trailer and ripping the air lines out? Happened to me in North Carolina as I was showing another driver who had never pulled a lowboy. We laugh now, but that is incredibly embarrassing.rank said: ↑Well said Triple Six. Any "mouth breather" can "drive a truck "but to make a living at it is another thing entirely. There are so many ways to scuttle your career I can't even name them all. I can think of five guys that I know of....and it isn't even the driving part that got them.
One guy got charged with Dangerous Driving in his personal vehicle....verdict was not guilty but it cost $20,000 in legal fees.
Another guy stood beside a load of pipe when he unstrapped and ruined his leg.
Another guy was a loud mouth know it all and he got beat up and found himself in a PA hospital.
Two more guys were killed by falling hay bales
No room for error in this business.Click to expand...
Had a really good friend take his securement off a load, have a 2500 lb part of this thing fall off and hit him in the head. Didn't kill him, but it broke his back in 3 spots. They put titanium in his spine, and fused a couple spots and he wound up 2 inches shorter than what he was. Of course, it ended his career and wiped out his savings. The year before, he ran with me on that dedicated run and stayed out for almost a year and made $400k. After the operation and therapy, he was wiped out.
Well, we all thought he had a case. His lawyers thought they had a case against the manufacturer. They found out, theres a statute already in the books that basically says once a load leaves the shipper's property, its your baby.
When my buddy told me about his suit being dismissed, I had just loaded a load valued at $60mil. Great, I am transporting a $60million dollar baby. Even if I dont get killed, an insurance claim could be lethal. Of course, you get special insurance for high value loads, and you charge out the nose to pull it, but it will still wear on you. I tell new drivers in our end of the business, "There are 2 safe spots for high value loads:1.)SHIPPER 2.) RECEIVER. Do not waste time in between the two."
The good thing about pulling high value loads is when you call your contact, he will come out from the house to meet you, or have someone come out and let you in their property and drop the trailer if they arent open or have the crane crew there. And they are ALWAYS glad to see you.
Someone asked in another thread if you lose something out of the relationships when youre OTR. Yes you do. But even local drivers will lose. It's like being a cop or a soldier. The only people that understand you are people that do what you do. If they've never done the job, they wont have any idea. They may think they know, but they dont.
I started out local...beer and foodservice. Running beer had to be, the toughest job Ive ever done. Even roofing wasnt as tough. Worked for a small company with a big route. Start out the house at 0400 and didnt get home til 2200, 5 days a week. And then the family wants to go out on the weekend and cant understand why you 'never want to go anywhere.'
Somewhere, someone is thinking, "That's 18 hours! Isnt it illegal to drive 18 hours a day?" Nope, thats from the house to the house. Driving is the easy part. It's everything else that goes along with it. And then there are some people that want to make fun of me because I prefer to have my bed right behind the driver's seat. In foodservice, if you need a nap, you sleep over the steeringwheel. Every time you see an LTL shuttle driver pulling wiggle wagons parked, he's asleep over the steeringwheel. Not knocking them, I did it. I understand. I prefer to get up at 0500 and end my day when the sun sets.
Mr Danvitt, the people that get complacent are the people that dont want to apply themselves to learning and improving their craft. They become slackers. You see drivers pass a truckstop with a headlight out. Or the trailer lights arent working. That would drive me nuts. There are so many things that people do in trucks that drives me nuts. I have a bunch of guys that I took under my wings and helped them when they started pulling windblades. Then I hear stories about how they needed fuel, pulled into a truckstop and gridlock the whole truckstop because noone could get in and noone could get out.
And they give me some stupid slacker excuseSix said:You idiot! Why the hell did you pull a loaded blade through a fuel island? Why didnt you drop your trailer, and fuel up before you started driving today?Click to expand...
And the Loves was the one that called the police and called your company to tell them what their idiot driver did.Slacker said:Well, I had a half a tank of fuel this morning...I wanted to fuel up at the Loves for my shower points.Click to expand...
Or they get too comfortable with their pilot cars and let the pilot cars take charge. Usually that means instead of getting started 30minutes before sunrise, they get started some time after 0800. The driver gives a copy of the permits to his pilot cars and never looks at the permits again. Then I hear about them going offroute.
And of course, they try to throw the pilot cars under the bus...Six said:What happened driver? Why did you go offroute? Why did you blow through that metro curfew?Click to expand...
You're the driver. Its your show. How your trailer is loaded, whether or not you should run a load is up to you...no pilot cars, no desk jockeys, no local law enforcement, noone can make you do anything. You're in charge of the load. Proceed with caution.Slacker said:It was my front car! He told me/ he missed this turn/ he didnt do....Click to expand... -
I've got something else to add to this.
One thing mentioned is not to get complacent and this is a big problem with other drivers who don't get that they need to operate the vehicle no matter what technology is in the vehicle.
Yesterday I had to go pick up a co-worker who was in an accident. He said that a driver of a new SUV just got over and he hit her, that pretty SUV is now totalled, the kid riding in the back was scared to death, and the driver was mad at my co-worker. See the driver of the SUV has one of them blind spot car detectors which tells them when someone is in their blind spot, so the idiot drivers don't have to actually turn and see or use the mirror to see if there is actually a vehicle next to them. Well he slowed a bit when she was acting as if she may get over after handing the kid something but when she started to drive a bit while he was a car length behind her bumper, she looked to if the blind spot detector warning light was off and just got over - she admitted to that part. She got the ticket, and went to the hospital with her kid and my co-worker had to get the truck towed. Our boss said it wasn't a preventable because she was ... well he used words that can't be used here.
I have had several close calls when I'm doing the speed limit on the freeway and someone is doing ten under and just sees the indicator light off and cuts over without looking. I hate this blind spot warning thing, I think it allows stupid drivers be more dangerous.tinytim, Vilhiem, tsavory and 1 other person Thank this. -
One more example of how reliance upon technology has ruined us...
Tech doesn't ruin us until we become dependent upon it to any measure. (And even then, tech is an inanimate object, so it's still our fault.) -
...my generation sure missed a great deal of good quotes.okiedokie said: ↑John Wayne said it best. "Life is hard. It's harder when your stupid."Click to expand...
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Just wait until dummies like that decide to buy a Subaru after hearing the 'lane departure warning' commercial.Ridgeline said: ↑...she looked to if the blind spot detector warning light was off and just got over - she admitted to that part...I hate this blind spot warning thing, I think it allows stupid drivers be more dangerous.Click to expand...
(paraphrasing) 'Too tired to drive, that's OK, with Subaru lane departure nodding off at the wheel is no big deal.'
That commercial makes me cringe.KW Cajun Thanks this.
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