3406 B failed emissions in NY

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  1. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    Well, a week ago last Thursday night I shut down (empty) at the East Schuyler rest area on I-90 in NY. Friday AM I drove `5 minutes further east and got off the I-90 toll road and lugged her into the cash box to pay my toll. I lugged it in so it wouldn't be too loud for the toll collector. Well maybe there was a little black smoke or maybe the EPA and NYDOT had a hard on for an old Pete because the revenuer man waved me into the lot for an emissions test. "I saw a little smoke", he said.

    The EPA guy comes over and says what year is the truck I say '86. He says we're going to so a snap accelleration test to measure smoke. I showed him my E-test cert from Ontario showing that I it passed with only 1.4% opacity of an allowable 55%. He didn't care.

    He asked what RPM it's goverened at I say I don't know. He told me to rev it until we find out. 2700 rpm and still climbing be admits it appears to be ungoverend but he will do the test anyway. He puts a little dream catcher looking thing with a pantyhose on it over my stack and tells me to rev it up. No smoke but he didn't like how I was applying fuel...said I was rolling on and off the fuel too slow. Told me I had to "floor it and hold it for 4 seconds". I said no idiot drives like that. He didn't care.

    So I floor it (almost) and of course he measures 72% opacity and I fail. He issues me a ticket for $700 and I am on my way.

    Last Friday (3 days ago) I took the truck to my local certified emission test garage for a test and they measured 1.2% of an allowable 55% opacity.

    I feel if it was goverened with a rev limiter I would have passed, and since I rarely get over 1800 anyway, I thought I might like to govern the truck at ~2000. How do I do it?

    P.S. After a little surfing the NY website, it seems they use the SAE J1667 test procedure which clearly states that if the engine is not governed, they are to abort the test. Seems like I will be pleading not guilt to this ticket.
     
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  3. M818

    M818 Light Load Member

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    Kind a makes me think a person could add a switch somewhere. Heck, some cars have a 'performance/economy' switch. Why could there not be a custom firmware to select whether or not to govern the rate of throttle/fuel regardless of whether you roll it or slam it, and set other stuff? Too much to ask on a truck computer I guess.

    But yeah no governor, looks like not valid test if you are reading that right. Maybe you can get the inspector disciplined or reprimanded too, for what it cost you to deal with this after you get it dismissed. In a vengeful mood for some reason excuse me. Just can't abide an ignorant or harrassing enforcement person.
     
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  4. Tall Mike

    Tall Mike Road Train Member

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    You have no idea how much this pisses me off..

    I live in whats left of this over governed, over taxed, and over regulated mess.......We have become nothing more than the Kali of the east coast..

    Sorry you had to deal with this..


    F-off Andy Cuomo
     
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  5. DougA

    DougA Road Train Member

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    There is a delay switch you can install,have seen them on old NTC's without aneroids.Goes on the pump.No reason you couldn't put one on a old Cat
     
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  6. bobbyhill

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    I gues I would have gotten a huge ticket or takin to jail, because I'm not free reving my B that hard.
     
  7. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    This is a mechanical engine. Not a computer in sight.
     
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  8. rank

    rank Road Train Member

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    The NTC's were mechanical if I remember correctly? How does a delay switch work on a mechanical engine? I thought the answer was going to involve springs, screws, weights, baling wire and maybe even a block of wood under the pedal.
     
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  9. bobbyhill

    bobbyhill Light Load Member

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    It ticks me off how they treat an older truck. I argued forever at the Knoxville scales one time the man swore up and down I was jakeing in and racking my pipes off through the scales.
     
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  10. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    This. My bmodel never went over 1800 in its life.

    And I love the suggestion of a firmware upgrade. that's a computer hardware term no? Let me know when you find the ecm on a b model cat. Hope you got lots of free time.
     
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  11. DougA

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    IIRC it was a solenoid that was a electronically activated throttle stop,,so when they asked you to mash the throttle,it would slowly let the injection pump arm go to full throttle.The old NTC's had a breakover spring loaded injection pump arm.If it's a mechanical Cat you could rig up a similar set-up.I'm sure someone has already.
     
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