Freight bills from 1978

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Old Man, Jul 7, 2015.

  1. Luwi67

    Luwi67 Heavy Load Member

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    That last invoice from Joliet, IL to Irving, TX. Did that pay 3.90 per mile for 879 miles?
     
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  3. Old Man

    Old Man Road Train Member

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    3.90 cwt(per 100 lbs) 2400 x 3.90 =$936.00.
    Probably had another load with it.
     
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  4. oldtrucker66

    oldtrucker66 Light Load Member

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    Using powerhousescott's figure of $0.648 per mile, adjusted for inflation from 1977 to 2015, it is $2.54.

    If that $0.648 was in 1978, adjusted for inflation in 2015, it is $2.37 per mile.
     
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  5. dannythetrucker

    dannythetrucker Road Train Member

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    dang ! you are old. ;)

    In general looks like about 1/2 what they want to pay for loads today. When you consider other things like houses, cars, trucks, cigarrettes, beef, etc... have gone up 10X or more seems like pretty good money to me.
     
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    I remember when diesel was still .50 per gallon in the 80's and then jumped to .70 per gallon, stayed there for quite a while. Then all the diesel cars started coming out and it jumped to .90 - $1 per gallon and has continued to rise ever since. Recently is the first time in a long time that I have actually seen diesel cheaper than gasoline. This last weekend my wife and I put diesel in her Jetta in St Louis. We paid $2.29 per gallon the gasoline was $2.65 per gallon. I think that was mainly due to the 4th traffic pricing.
     
  7. powerhousescott

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    You are right on track
     
  8. powerhousescott

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    The carrier he was leased to was averaging .926 per mile
    he was making 70% of that .648 per mile to his truck.

    Adjusting for inflation 1978 - 2015

    Carrier Rate per mile: $3.38
    Owner Operator rate per mile: $2.36 (70%)

    For those that want to play with the adjustments:

    http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

    This is why I wonder and keep asking guys why are you believing the shipper/broker when the tell you that $1.50 per mile is a good paying load. Why do you believe them when they tell you that $2.00 per mile is a good load.

    Now I realize that these were flatbed loads, and a couple of oversized loads. But if you took a look at what they are offering the spot market rate right now for those same type of loads.

    Flatbed: $2.09
    Heavy Haul / Oversize: $2.29 (not including permits)

    If you look at Old Man's BOL's you will notice that the permits were paid for by the shipper, with the exception of the Thunderbird load. I am pretty sure that he will vouch that the Thunderbird loads always sucked in the old days.

    If we were to take the Dry Van rate that I was paying as the shipper in 1996. $1.74 per mile all miles round trip.
    Adjust for inflation:

    Carrier rate: $2.64 per mile
    O/O rate: $1.84 per mile (70%)

    Now can the rest of you see why I was so thankful to Old Man for this information. I have notebooks of study's that I have done over the past eight years from interviewing the old school operators. This is the first time that anybody actually had the proof to validate what the real truckers were saying. I threw out the garbage from those guys that tried and blow smoke up my hiney, when they told me they made $2 - $4 per mile back in the 70's. Most guys told me they were making between .50 - .75 cpm, sometimes a real good load paid $1 per mile.
     
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  9. skateboardman

    skateboardman Road Train Member

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    the " I don't haul for less than 2.00 a mile" crowd was the " if I can get a 1.00 a mile , I got it made " crowd back then
     
  10. Old Man

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    Thunderbird was a brokerage cut or maybe a trip lease, you have to take into account the HJJ were some of the best there was,
    If I remember right when I left Hahn I was averaging .38 a mile and was around .83 at HJJ.
    I wish I had more bills from Hahn showing how cheap gyprock was out of USG,
    I have a copy of the lease deal the new owners of HJJ were offering in about 1981 I will try to post it later today , maybe in a new thread.
    I don't remember what year fuel went up but a percent based fuel surcharge was implemented and we did quite well.
     
  11. Old Man

    Old Man Road Train Member

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    on 6-12-78 I paid .50 a gallon at company yard.
    Found some pics from early 80's
    The 9 axle GMC General had a 8V92t with a 13 speed and a 4 speed aux. Note the winch to detach with, these were some of the first RGN trailers, before these we used folding goosenecks.
    The CO Pete had a 1693 CAT front.jpg back.jpg
     
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