Tell us how you really feel...

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  1. 207nomad

    207nomad Medium Load Member

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    Saw this on the Green Bay Craigslist transportation job ads. I don't think they're too happy with the pumpkin...

    So you want to drive for the pumpkin. The Big Orange, The ride with pride. What a great life that will be. Driving around, no bosses, meeting interesting people, seeing great things and making LOTS OF MONEY. Yeah all that great trucker pay. WOW
    Well first you got to get educated. So that means school. If your lucky Uncle Sam or the state pays the fee but, if your not, you pay and it's not cheap. You got to pay to play, right? Private schools range from $6000 to $8000. Community colleges around $1600 because their subsidized by your state. So if you live in a state that supports the trucking industry, your lucky, but fewer and fewer states do. So, after getting your cdl permits, which is another expense, your off to school. At the school you shine, you get a great instructor. You clutch like an expert and back like a pro. You calculate time and the log book like an old timer and you graduate at the top of the class. Now the company recruiters show up.
    It used to be that there were good and bad companies. They all had lousy pay for new drivers but some were outright liars and some were straight forward. You could usually tell or get an opinion. Now they all shine you on. To them all drivers are just another cost of doing business and they want them as cheap as possible. If you go with the great pumpkin. They claim to reimburse driving school and pay you .29c a mile with a quick upgrade to .30 and then .32 after you prove yourself and survive. So you sign up and are off to training.
    At Charlotte the pumpkin uses Red Roof Inn and it's not the ritz but it's not bad. If you have high standards you might not be happy but it's better than the England dorms or an old mobile home. The pumpkin used to have a training academy at most OC's but now there is only a vestige of that left. At orientation, they indoctrinate you into the pumpkin way. The training is still good and the instructors are thorough and not abusive in an abusive region of the country. Their bonuses are dependent on you passing so this isn't magnanimity. Everybody in this company lives for their bonus.
    So you pass with flying colors and are assigned your truck. This is the luck of the draw. You might get one that's like new or one that pig pen lived in for years. The service group cleans them but not really. Most have about 400000 miles and the reliability will be a matter of luck too. If you get a turkey you can trade it in, maybe.
    Now you get your first load and accept it and download the route. The pumpkin Navego gps is configured to get the shortest possible truck route, GREAT, maybe. It also avoids toll roads. This means that you will be on state highways or two lanes even though an interstate runs the same way but it's a little longer, if you pick the interstate your out of route and bye bye bonus. If you've always wanted to drive all the local roads across NJ and eastern pa, this is your big chance. There's a section of highway where I-70 meets I-81. The navigo gps routes you down 340 and 7. That's 100 miles of traffic lights and two lane that eats up your hours and drops your average speed to 25-30. You will be hard pressed to make that time up since the trucks are governed at 60mph. You can stomp the pedal and get to 62mph but the over speed kills your bonus. You can try racing down hills to make up the time but anything over 70mph really sets off all the alarms and kills your bonus. The navigo routes can be convoluted and outright bizarre but any other route is OUT OF ROUTE and the computer will tell you about it. The pumpkin training calls the voice in the computer Jill. You will quickly call it something else. A talking company computer is a true mechanism of torture. They should use this one on Al Qiada. It's very similar to being locked in a closet with your mother in law. You can turn the voice off but for navigation it's better to get the voice prompts instead of squinting at the screen and with the voice off you might miss a very important email from the dbls. You will be bombarded with emails. This company is now run by and for the cubicle trolls. This is an office company that happens to have drivers. The dispatchers, dbls, managers and recruiters are college people. There isn't one dispatcher that's an ex-driver. These people don't know or even like drivers. They might as well be making widgets and to them you are a widget. Widget number 24567. That's you.
    As a new driver, you are on the 90 day board. This board is supposed to help the clueless newbies survive the harsh cruel trucking world. In reality it's the blind leading the blinder. Some of the dispatchers are helpful and all touch type like champions and zip through the pumpkin IS like a video game but for the new driver, for any driver, the 90 day board is a bigger challenge than shifting or navigo. Without a thought, they can sink you and waste all your previous hard work. The 90 day board brings the driver, without realizing it, into the culture of the OC. Some OC's, like Carlisle, are benign. Some OC's, like Charlotte, are mendacious. Dallas, Memphis, Fontana, Indy, Green Bay fall higher and lower in between. This is office culture and the word frienemies comes directly to mind. With every phone call into the board your exposed to this culture. You have lived your life to be away from offices and office people but here your up to your eyebrows in it. This is the next facet of pumpkin problems, practically every load needs phone calls. The load planners don't plan and the box schedulers don't have any idea where the trailers are. You will get a work assignment that looks good and is covered with numbers. You then roll up to a customer and
    not one number is right. If your lucky, the customer will help puzzle it out and, through the destination or trailer number, work out your load. Mostly the customers just cuss about the pumpkin and document other pumpkin screw-ups, wasting your time. So now your on the phone to the 90 day board, on hold, waiting, for 10,15 20 minutes or more. This time comes off your 14, so their burning your time, eating your lunch and pay. Wasting your hours and phone time. So now your stuck. Emails don't work. While the board blizzards you with worthless emails, they ignore yours. When finally you get connected maybe you'll get help maybe there will just be more miscommunication. Now even any correction is suspect and may need more phone calls to be, once more, corrected. At this point your mind can start controlling you and you wonder is this just general screw-ups and mistyping or something darker. Is all this chasing around to wrong locations, empty drop yards and crazy routing part of some plan? Is this some sort of victorian tough lesson? Like the marines, only with no positive reinforcement. You feel like your sinking and have come up with both ends of your life line -- and you swear you hear laughing, but your not paranoid if their really out to get you or, at least, not really help you. This is once more where luck is all. You may be assigned a good or bad dbl. You might be assigned a steroid pumped control freak or a Mr Rogers clone. Luck is all. This is a #### happens kind of company. If you get a bad dbl you either tough it out, try for a replacement or walk. In this instance your first and only mistake was showing up. All this will be ok once you open that pay stub and see that big pay check. Right? Well once you have finished orientation training, you get the news that, by the way, you are required to be a per diem for the first 6 months. This means you make .27c per mile. (ATTN Pumpkin: new drivers need MONEY not tax advantages.) That's $8 less on a 400 mile run. It's like working one hour for free at your last job. You did that all the time, right?
    While we are talking about pay, let's do some figuring. Truckers work long hours. That's given, but used to be made up by decent pay. Now with the low pay and the HOS rules it's almost impossible to make a living wage. If you can run 400 miles a day, and that's hard for a new driver, with traffic, live loads and unloads, heavy loads, 60 mph governed trucks and everybody wasting your hours like a free lunch, you will make $756 gross, in 7 days. That's almost $19 an hour at a normal job, but this isn't a normal job. Your on the job 24/7 for however many days your out. If you work regional you get 34 hrs at home a week. Most of that will be used getting home. If you work national, you get 1 day off per week. Maybe. If your dbl sucks you get less or use most of your time at home just getting home.
    So let's be generous, even though the company is not, and figure your 10 hour break is time off. Even though your locked in a truck in a nasty truck stop, rest area or at a customers yard. Paying good money for crap food and peeing in a bottle. On a 14 hour day running 400 miles a day, you make $7.71 an hour. Minimum wage. Less in some states. The girl cleaning the showers in Pilot makes more than you. If you figure on working 24/7 your pay drops to $4.50 an hour. That was minimum wage in about 1979.
    The pumpkin pay is in the cellar and their planning to keep it there.
    While Google and Apple recruit workers from Ireland. The pumpkin recruits from english speaking Africa. They sponsor them for work visas and train them to drive. Ready made slaves. I talked to one and he said " I can make what I made in a year in a month here." Great, America, what a country. While your trying to figure how to afford that car your wife wants and pay the mortgage too. This dude is thinking about a tar paper shack and the price of monkey meat.
    This is why all truckers hate Schneider and will generously abuse you at every chance. The pumpkin drives the price of freight into the basement and they do that to pay too.
    So you want to work for the pumpkin, Good Luck. You'll need it.
     
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  3. Chinatown

    Chinatown Road Train Member

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    The guys that plan well, go with Schneider Bulk. Those tanker drivers don't visit grocery warehouses and can afford steak dinners.
     
  4. flyingmusician

    flyingmusician Road Train Member

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    Somebody posted this on here awhile back as the original writer. Got a little huffy when we laughed at the fact he apparently couldn't cut it and his coming off as quite the drama queen

    I still laugh when he refers to Charlotte as being an 'abusive region of the country' lol

    Clearly he's never been to the northeast.

    The only people we're 'abusive' to down here are the ones whose attitudes towards us dictate that response lol otherwise I'm pretty sure we still know what southern hospitality is down here.
     
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  5. T_TRUCKER.

    T_TRUCKER. Road Train Member

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    Boo hoo. Get another job.
     
  6. PhantomExpress

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    Well ....

    1. Thanks Obama
    2. Thank you "Public Education System"
    3. Refer to 1 and 2
    4. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF DOING RESEARCH ON COMPANIES THAT YOU APPLY FOR!?
    5. The below company is hiring.
     

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  7. Vilhiem

    Vilhiem Road Train Member

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    I think it's funny how misinformed the op is..

    For otr your bonus might depend upon out of route miles, HOWEVER... It's important to note that Sni allots roughly 5-8% of a route's miles as "extra."

    This is time you may spend looking for a truck stop, fueling, getting supplies, missing your turn and so on. It's more than you should need and you should use it to your advantage.

    So if you see a faster route that's got 20-40 extra miles, take it.

    Also, our "bonus" is rather crappy...speaking from personal experience. Not to mention there's far more state and federal taxes taken out of it.

    In a nutshell, you're far better off trying to fit one more run into a week and missing your bonus.

    So what's a driver to do?

    I can't answer that. But I can remind you that Sni says that, "You're the captain of your own ship."

    I've told my dbl a few times as a gentle reminder... I still make bonus, just fyi. ;)

    Learn how to say no and always remember to CYA (cover your arse.).

    Sni certainly isn't the best by any means. But I can assure you that you could do far far worse.
     
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  8. Opus

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    There's a section of highway where I-70 meets I-81. The navigo gps routes you down 340 and 7. That's 100 miles of traffic lights and two lane that eats up your hours and drops your average speed to 25-30.

    learn how to read a map and use the navigation function on your phone. If you stay on the big road, it only adds 5 or so miles to the trip. OOR miles are cumulative throughout the quarter. Suck up the OOR miles when you have to and you'll make it up on other trips. I used to stay positive OOR miles.......jus' sayin', it ain't that hard.

    Other than that, everything else is pretty much true. What were you expecting?
     
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  9. mickeyrat

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    OOR is no longer used as a metric.
     
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  10. 207nomad

    207nomad Medium Load Member

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    This post wasn't from me, I just saw it and found it humorous so I thought I'd share. I drove OTR for a few years for Swift (unfortunately) and May trucking. I've been away from the game for a while but am getting back into it this fall and am leaning towards Schneider to get my feet wet again and possibly doing the choice program at some point. I got a kick out of this because I remember just how nieve a lot of people are when it comes to trucking. They think it's going to be glorious and they'll become rich while seeing the country. When the truth is it is hard work and long days and while the pay is fair, it certainly could be better. Not to mention you get sent to some pretty shady places at random hours but you also get to see some really cool things! I am very excited to get back behind the wheel!
     
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  11. mpow66m

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