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the grey areas..... when is a pickup a commercial vehicle?

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by willeo6709, Dec 11, 2015.

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  1. Dec 11, 2015 #1
    willeo6709

    willeo6709 Bobtail Member

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    I don't really understand this but I just got a ticket today for being over license weight in a freaking pickup. I was in a 3500 dodge diesel drw. Pulling a tandem dual gooseneck trailer. loaded with steel scrap. gross weight 29,300 ( dot commercial vehicle enforcement wieghed me on the spot). I am #### lucky I got to finish the trip, as the first thing the officer said was that I needed more license to drive the combination. I won't elaborate but the truck and trailer gvwr stickers added up under 26k. Unfortunately the truck registration said 5 ton and I hefty fine ( plus warnings for no current dot inspection form on truck, trailer, no fire estinguisher, no triangles). Heck I never considered it a commercial truck subject to regs. The truck was licensed in company name ( I own a machine shop).

    so if the truck had been in personal name could the dot have given me a fine?
     
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  3. Dec 11, 2015 #2
    RustyBolt

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    He could have got ya for overweight no matter what. Unless you had permits.
     
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  4. Dec 11, 2015 #3
    willeo6709

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    its a pickup and a trailer, who registers a pickup for 15 ton weight when you only pull a trailer 2-3 times a year with it?
     
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  5. Dec 11, 2015 #4
    ZVar

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    People who want to be legal.....

    -Steven
     
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  7. Dec 11, 2015 #5
    farmboy73

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  8. Dec 11, 2015 #6
    Pool6710

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    License it for 15k non comercial.
     
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  9. Dec 12, 2015 #7
    turtle1969

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    you take your trucks GVWR and subtract its actual weight from that as in 8000 GVRW and on scale weight of truck is 5500, means you can legally put 2500 on the truck, you this same thing for trailer but the trailer weight combined also cannot exceed hitch rating, so technically if you had just say 2600 pounds in the bed of just the truck you could get a ticket commercial or not GVWR is not a commercial vehicle only thing
     
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  10. Dec 12, 2015 #8
    Scalemaster

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    OK, you were registered for 10,000#, weighing 29,300#. Almost 3 times your registered weight. Pretty clear violation there.

    CMV with Gross Combined Weight Rating OR actual weight in excess of 26,000# needs CDL. Tandem dual gooseneck is likely over 10,000# GVWR so you would need a Class A CDL. That would be an Out of Service violation here - you would not be able to drive it on down the road.

    ANY vehicle with a GCWR over 10,000# "in commerce" - furthering ANY business venture - is a CMV.

    You be truckin!
     
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  11. Dec 12, 2015 #9
    snowwy

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    Don't know about the permits, but the guy needs a cdl to pull that kind of weight. As quoted above by scalemaster.

    Guess he's lucky he didn't land in jail. Looks like he broke every rule available.
     
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  12. Dec 13, 2015 #10
    brian991219

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    It really ticks me off when guys like this run way outside what is legal and are allowed to continue down the road, way over weight and out of class on the license but if I had one little thing wrong with my rig I would be OOS on the spot. I am not mad at the driver but rather the enforcement officer that let him go, I will give the driver the benefit of the doubt that he did not know he was actually a commercial vehicle, should have but I am sure he didn't, as I see that all the time with my consulting business, a lot of guys that have no idea they are actually also in the trucking business.
     
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