Log Book Hours

So normally going back if I remember right only takes 5 hours but traffic is the issue here right?

Two things I would ask yourself

1)Can you stay at the customer until approx 8:30 am to avoid the morning rush? If not go to # 2
2) Is there somewhere fairly close to the customer than you can go park at for until approx 8:30 to 9:00 am?

I drew out an example if you can avoid the morning traffic. Now I am not sure about the lunch traffic? I would assume the morning traffic is the more concern however I could be wrong at this.
But if you normally can do it in 5 hours driving time then you need to see if you can hang out somewhere during rush hour and see how it goes so you are not eating your driving and 14 hour time sitting in traffic.

Here is an example that is a legal log.

Also logging line 4 doesn't seem like it would be a problem if you have weekends off because you are always starting out with a restart anyhow.

So regardless if you log it on line 1,2 or 4 it's still counting against your 14 hour. Line 4 does not come out of your drive time. The only thing is if you run close on your 60 or 70 hour rule that is a concern of logging line 4.

Do you have a sleeper?

 

the good news... you have a job.... now the bad news.... once you drop to line 4 you start your 14 hr day.... so if you start at midnight you have to end your day at 2pm.... you could lunch all day... but at 2pm you need to be either on line 1 or 2.....14 hrs is 14 hrs is 14 hrs...... just had a little tift today with my dm.... was down to the last two hrs on my 14 hr clock... shipper decides when loading that they are now short product... will take 90 minutes min to get to he warehouse... dm wanted me to shtdn in their yard... sorry no shower for 2 days... i had my fair share of boy scouts... told dm and got safety involved... finally all agreed that i could lv trl in door and bob to trk stop 20 miles away... got shtdn with 15 min to spare... do not let dm's force you into being over your 14 hr day... DOT will shut you down along with fines..... so remember 14 is 14 is 14.... how you log is your choice... but remember the fines are usually $100 per log book mistake...

 

you are only required to flag your pre-trip showing the time/city/state,,, but you must log at least 15min for the post trip.... per FMSCA...

 

It would appear that this is a situation where the run is legal on paper but when applied to real life it does not always work. There is another option and that is to see if there is someone either at your company or the customer who can get the folks loading you in and out of that customer every time you are there asap. It sounds to be a regular run for you. Perhaps just being chummy with the guys loading and unloading could help get you taken care of, so there is no fear of violating the HOS. Perhaps if your company is capable they could turn it into a drop and hook. Asuming you are pulling trailer. No company is to be allowed to dispatch a run they know is illegal and can't be done within the HOS. But then I do not know what your company is like behind the scenes. Just thought I would throw some options out there I didn't see come from the other posts in the thread.

 

Wrong I show 15 min pretrip and only flag the post trip.

 

Ok no tarp you can do it the way you do. There is not much problem with that but the reg's do say that you do the full and complete inspection at the post trip and fill out the DVIR at that point and sign the inspection. So do be aware there can be that pressed trouser polished button trooper out there looking to show you what he knows about the reg's and cite you for it. Most of the guys at the scale house though do not carre to argue form and manner on the logs. They are mostly interested in if you are a safe driver. Not which end of your day the time on line 4 the inspection goes on.

 

I agree with you Side you are accurate!
One day unfortunately they will come up to that officer as many are being trained correctly now and might get a ticket or a warning (hopefully a warning, then again maybe a ticket and will come here and pout and I can say TOLD YOU SO, l.o.l. ESPECIALLY TO My Notarps ))))

Anyhow but most officers will say as long as one of them is logged at the beginning or end of the day. But I am here to say in the courts you just might lose a battle if it comes down to repairs on either end. You should really be checking at both ends pre & post.
The pre trip is really to make sure that nothing went wrong since you vehicle has been parked.

I will add you should to your advantage do a very thorough post-trip since that line 4 does not affect your 14 hour period so time dealing with the company/tow truck etc will not be eating up your 14 hour day. Maybe you can get your 10 while your truck is in the shop??? It does help you out on the beginning of your days .

So side you are not eating 15 minutes of your 14 hour right off the bat every day. You can drive up to your 14 th hour and do your post and it's not affecting your drive time, GOOD JOB!

Most of all you should do as your company ask, right!

 

Hey logs our company policy is flag the post and a min of 15 to pre-trip. I have been checked by DOT and have never been questioned on it.

 

I stated follow your company policy and you might never have a problem with it at all, however you might learn from the officer the correct way if you run acrossed the one who does know the correct way.

Your company is not the only one!

Do they have you do the pre-trip in writting or the post-trip. I know you have answered that before however my brain is so damaged from talking logs and running legal