I read on another thread that you are cleaning the doser, Pre-DOC, DOC and DPF yearly on your lease and rental units. Maxforce 13 2010 or 2011? How's that working out? Less down time due to aftertreatment issues? Service Intervals listed in the manual not only do we not follow but doubt they would work for us due to our routes. Several drivers do short trips, shuttles a lot of drop and hook. I don't know how long you have to be at 45 mph for the regen to start. I have always believed the active regens are getting interrupted and that’s part of the reason why we have so many problems. 2 or 3 parked regens a day on a couple of trucks. The down time cost is huge. Also noticed something about a recommendation to open hood after a park regen to allow excess heat from around the engine to escape because the heat is damaging the EGR coolers? That's the 1st time I've heard of that. Is that a new recommendation? They are talking about a spare DPF, putting it in while the one gets clean. They don't understand is not just the DPF. I think that's insane. I want to suggest the yearly cleaning. The dealer just throws parts at the trucks until something works. So your after market parts are from Road Warrior, any problems with them? Thank You
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Discussion in 'International Forum' started by demonduck, May 6, 2016.
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Hello. Thanks for reading. Yes, yearly cleaning is helping big time!!! This HAS to be done! PERIOD! If not, it is just a matter of time... The manufacturers want to make their products look as cheap to maintain as possible so they advertise and publish ridiculous service intervals, or none at all for things like after-treatment parts. Their basic mentality is those parts are good for the life of the truck, WRONG! We do this because we know what it takes to keep these monsters on the road... as best we can! A lot of regen issues start due to plugged dosers or doc/dpfs that simply have never been cleaned, or have several thousand hours since last cleaning! We perform our cleaning at yearly safety inspection time, so the down time is combined with regular required maintenance anyway.
Stop and go, or city, or drop to drop operation is about the worst for allowing a regen to start and finish properly. You are right, they never really get a chance to start and stay going long enough to get a really good regen. Combine that with the very nature of stop and go operation and it isn't long before the after-treatment system can become overwhelmed because every time you grab a gear or start from a stop another puff of black smoke is caught by the dpf. Regens will start pretty quick as long as the engine is up to temp, but every time it is interrupted or the engine simply isn't running fast enough, the overall regen is lacking. A rolling regen can take 30 to 40 mins uninterrupted, but generally 20 or so.
Opening the hood is highly recommended DURING and PARKED regen! This is not something that is published, we have just been told this by word of mouth straight from engineers. But, it only makes sense to me. Basically the engine is generating extra heat and that heat is frying mainly coolant hoses, but you know as well as me that heat wrecks everything. So yes, open your hoods during a parked regen. There is enough air flow when driving to cool everything, so don't worry about highway regens.
For sure, I recommend cleaning everything. The PRE-DOC, DOC and DPF go into a bake and clean machine. When the PRE-DOC is removed, you actually gain access to the injector tip of the doser as it is right there now with the pipe removed and simply clean it with a brush. Easy peasy!
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Thank you! I knew the good techs would figured out the best way to keep their trucks rolling because they understand and see the real world conditions, engineers see and understand controlled test grounds conditions. I swear there are more sensor on this aftertreament system than a nuclear power plant! Ok, they asked me to do a PM schedule for the system, which I pointed out almost 2 years ago that we needed to set up. I warned them what would happened after the warranties expired, yeah, that's all out of pocket cost. You got an estimated cost for the above yearly cleaning at a dealership? We have 2001-20012 Transtars day cabs. I believe they would like to use a different company to pull the stack apart and take the parts over to the dealership for cleaning. I'm going to suggest we not do that. I can see the DPF being mis-handled and getting damaged and no one owning it. The dealership can check for ECM updates and force a regen to check it. The other company uses JPRO and can't force a regen. Thank you again!
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One thing I really need to stress with these trucks, anything you take apart, use anti-seize on the bolts when you put it back together! The temp sensors and pressure sensing tubes need to be taken off in order to disassemble and clean those components. Since you are dealing with exhaust, those parts seize up very quickly and easily. If you have to fight to remove everything because it is seized you will be hours trying to win that battle. If everyone can be professional about their work and clean the threads and apply anti-seize to them when reassembly it will come apart like butter next time saving everyone lots of time and head aches! Same goes for the doser if you remove it. As for time, you are looking at 3-5 hours to remove and reassemble, plus baking cost.
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