Ford F650... Will it do the job?

Squad27 · Jun 12, 2016

I ran a f650 roll back tow truck with Cummins...would do long haul towing of two vehicles and it sucked. Motor lacked power and the ride was terrible. Had about 275k miles on truck and motor.

Ridgeline · Jun 12, 2016

For the price of a ford, you can buy a real truck.

bigmotor1212 · Jun 12, 2016

Squad27 said: ↑

I ran a f650 roll back tow truck with Cummins...would do long haul towing of two vehicles and it sucked. Motor lacked power and the ride was terrible. Had about 275k miles on truck and motor.
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Was that Cummins installed by a customizer? Ford doesn't list it as an available option for 2013. Thanks

rabbiporkchop · Jun 12, 2016

Cummins / Allison combos are quite common in the larger F650 trucks.

bigmotor1212 said: ↑

It would depend on the trailer you're going to pull. A four car wedge would be no problem. I've never heard of a Cummins or Allison in a ford. Me personally, an F650 is not what I would buy to haul cars, unless it's priced way below market value.
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rabbiporkchop · Jun 12, 2016

http://m.worktruckonline.com/news/1...witches-to-ford-built-engine-and-transmission

No more Cummins Allison Fords being made

Squad27 · Jun 12, 2016

bigmotor1212 said: ↑

Was that Cummins installed by a customizer? Ford doesn't list it as an available option for 2013. Thanks
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No mine was a 2007....had the option of a Cummins, power stroke or cat.

rbrtwbstr · Jun 12, 2016

I dunno too much, but the 2006? F650 my previous employer had was a joke. It had a c7 cat with the Allison transmission. Wouldn't pass an Amish buggy on level ground hauling 5000 lbs on the bed. Hard starting, under powered, rough riding piece of plastic garbage. Need I say more?

rabbiporkchop · Jun 12, 2016

This F650 came with the 6.7 Cummins and 7 speed manual trans.

HurricaneHarrison · Jun 13, 2016

kw550cat said: ↑

I completely agree with what was said here. If you plan on running it within 250 mile radius and not doing any long hauls it'll be fine. (Your back will appreciate it.) If it's local work then it's also a good option. However, if you plan on running long haul with it, it'll grow old real fast. It will struggle to maintain a decent speed when you hit some proper hills/mountains. The ride will suck and it won't keep the speed limit easily. The main question is how cheap is it, how old is it, how many miles, etc. If it's cheap enough, then it may be worth it as a stepping stone to get money flowing and some contacts established. If it's not cheap enough, I vote a single axle if you plan on staying out for long periods of time. If you plan on being home every night or every other night, then it's not bad.
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Thanks for the reply. I am not planning on doing long hauls. At the most 500 a day (within a 250 mile radius). I'm hoping to buy it for less than 4k. I live in SC and hoping to do runs to GA, NC, or FL.

HurricaneHarrison · Jun 13, 2016

brian991219 said: ↑

It is going to depend on what you expect from your truck and where you plan on running. We have two Chevy 6500 flatbeds in our fleet with small Cat motors @285 hp, 6 speeds. They have held up well, one had over 800k on it before the motor blew, and is still used every day with a replacement motor. They only haul two cars at a time, we use them for the inop units and residential pickup/delivery and they run about 300 miles a day, 5 days a week. Not all that quick but reliable and good fuel economy at 10 mpg.

We also have a KW T330 with the Cummins ISC @300 hp and an Allison 3000 series auto. It is a 4 car carrier, gross weight about 40k when fully loaded and has 600k on it without any major problems. This truck does about 400 miles a day, mostly highway, and gets 8,5 mpg.

We run mostly upstate New York and northeast Pennsylvania, no really big mountains but we do have some good hills, 65 mph speed limits and cold winters. I would not recommend using our 6500s to pull a 3/4 wedge, wouldn't be very comfortable nor the best possible combination for maneuverability or braking.

The performance of your F-650 will depend on the horsepower and torque rating of that specific Cummins engine, and the rear gear ratio. I am dealing with this now with my latest addition to the fleet, a 2000 Mack Vision single axle tractor. It has a decent size engine, 427 hp at 1350 ft lb torque, but with the 3.70 rear ratio it is very slow on take off, which does not work well for me doing mostly pickup and delivery work. If I was doing long haul it would be fine, but I make 6-10 stops a day in small to mid-size cities in upstate New York, so it really sucks in traffic.

All that said, depending on what type of car hauling you are planning on doing will determine if your planned truck will work or if you will hate it. If you are going to go with something the size of a F-650 you might as well go with a single axle tractor. It will hold up much better than the F-650 in the long run and offer you the chance to upgrade your trailer to a 6/7 high mount if you decide to later on. Meaning, short haul or local work the 650 should be fine, long runs with layovers you will wish you had the air ride single axle tractor.
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Thanks for the reply. Looking to do short hauls within a 250 mile radius. 3-4 car hauls and maybe some frieght. I live in SC. Looking to haul to GA, NC, and FL...

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