Question about Grain doubles / pup set-up

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  1. Diesel Dan 92

    Diesel Dan 92 Light Load Member

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    image.jpeg We would like the run doubles while shipping grain out of our facility but only a single out of the field. This means a set of Break-up doubles that I could run on two trucks during harvest and hook together to haul out OR we have been kicking around the idea of getting a twin built of the 34' tridem hopper we already have, with a rear hitch, and attaching a pup.

    Ideally the pup would be a tandem so I could hitch it to a spare truck to pull out of the field if we have a big harvest and/or expand acres.

    Trying to figure max capacity for the combination, how to have it built, dolly set up, overall length etc.

    This is in Michigan.
     
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  3. mnmover

    mnmover Road Train Member

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    Talk to your local trailer dealer for Wilson, Cornhusker or Timpte. Or go their web sites, They will build anything you want, but it will be expensive. You can't just add a pintle hook to an aluminmun trailer, they may not be strong enough to handle the extra pulling weight. Your laws in Michigan allow heavier weights than most other states, and the trailers must be structurally engineered for the extra weight.
     
  4. Zeviander

    Zeviander Road Train Member

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    Sounds like a Super-B train, but with a pintle hook instead of a second fifth wheel.

    You looking for something like this?

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  5. Diesel Dan 92

    Diesel Dan 92 Light Load Member

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    Yes it's called an A-train. Some guys that run into Canada pull B-train but most everything bulk in Michigan (grain, dirt, fertilizer, wood, etc) goes on A-trains. We just call em doubles.

    Looking for ideas on axle set up etc. It will be expensive and I only want to do it once.
     
  6. cnsper

    cnsper Road Train Member

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    You can pull the second trailer with a pintle hitch, you do not need to have it on the 5th wheel. Or you get the pup trailer with con gear under the front so you can pull it out and slide the truck under the trailer.
     
  7. special-k

    special-k Road Train Member

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    AFAIK each trailer in a michigan train are limited to 28 1/2 feet long. You could try and run a tandem converter and a tandem 24 foot pup. It would cut your drives back to 32,000 lbs and 26,000 on the pups tandem. On the lead you would be good for 39,000 on the tridem and the converter would be good for another 26,000. One other option is to run a lift axle on the truck itself to boost the drive weight to 39,000. It should also allow you to run the convertor or the tandem at 32,000 lbs as long as the other is 26,000lbs. Whew! Not too confusing is it lol After all this you would still be illegal because of the lead being overlength. You might get away with it as long as your not crossing scales though. Good luck with your choice. Hopefully this info is still somewhat accurate.
     
  8. Diesel Dan 92

    Diesel Dan 92 Light Load Member

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    I think both trailers together can't be over 57', I see leads longer than 28.5' all the time, pulling a short pup.

    Local bulk hauler I see at a grain terminal just got rid of his symmetrical dump trains and got ones built with a long lead, a single axel converter, and then a pup with a single rear axle and a lift right in the middle of the pup.

    I think the lead has a set of tandems at the back and then 3 lift axles.

    Ill have to get ahold of him sometime lol
     
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