2012 Cascadia with 280K Multiple fault codes Please Advise

Discussion in 'Freightliner Forum' started by 1fixitman, Aug 27, 2016.

  1. 1fixitman

    1fixitman Light Load Member

    68
    14
    Aug 16, 2016
    0
  2. Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.

  3. 1fixitman

    1fixitman Light Load Member

    68
    14
    Aug 16, 2016
    0
    302600 miles on Odometer. About 20K miles driven after trip to dealer to have warranty work done for previous after treatment system problems.
    Ok my truck finally derated to 55MPH while I was driving from Savannah, GA to Timmonsville, SC. After I dropped my empty trailer when I got to Tville I shut truck off for 20 minutes to do paperwork and use bathroom. When I started it back up I could not accelerate in gear at all. Idle only in gear. Had red stop light and derated to 5 MPH.
    At this point I did not have to pull any load back to the yard. I was about 160 miles from Mooresville, NC.
    I can not say what I am having done other than a tune installed in ECM.....but lets just say I will never have another EEC061 code on this truck ever again or ever have to pump another ounce of DEF. I pick it up Friday night about 945 P.M. Will have increased HP due to not being derated and BETTER exhaust flow, increased MPG's and no more down time from the after treatment system ever. I will not post where I am getting my work done but I will post how it rides after a couple thousand miles and I can calculate a few tanks of MPG's. Good evening all. I will give you info via my email address but not on this public site about the details.
    Dwayne
     
  4. Jarrods

    Jarrods Bobtail Member

    28
    7
    Sep 2, 2016
    0
    Thanks for contributing to climate change! my kids thank you!
     
  5. mhyn

    mhyn Road Train Member

    4,255
    4,515
    Dec 29, 2008
    Northridge, CA
    0
    Only high temperatures can kill 1-box. I have seen moved back DOC but never seen itself failed SCR.
     
  6. RocketyMan

    RocketyMan Medium Load Member

    549
    337
    Jun 5, 2015
    0
    I'm not sure if anyone answered these and if you still have this problem due to your "recent" service. (lol...)
    Maybe this can help someone else out if they are following the post. Hopefully you have nice fairings below so when rolling up to scales they don't see a huge ATD missing...lol. Or you could always try and explain that you have a "glider" truck if anyone questions it. Haha...

    Anyway, here's my advice:

    SPN/FMI
    4364/1--Aftertreatment 1 SCR Conversion Efficiency Data Valid But Below Normal Operational Range - Most Severe Level
    4364/18--Aftertreatment SCR Catalyst Conversion Efficiency - Data Valid But Below Normal Operating Range - Moderately Severe Level
    3364/2--Aftertreatment 1 Diesel Exhaust Fluid Tank 1 Quality Data Erratic, Intermittent Or Incorrect

    In reality, you should get DLink and use the "Service Routines" tab and go to the "SCR and DPF voltages" template and monitor the NOx ppm signals. You need a conversion eff of about .80 at least (I think for EPA10). The ATS needs to be up to about 500F in order for the NOx sensors to activate and the ACM to care about the data.

    As for the 4364/1,18 (the FMI 1 is the highest derate, hence the stop engine light):
    You could have SCR poisoning causing your NOx eff to be low. BUT you could also have lazy NOx inlet/outlet sensors giving erroneous data. Usually with a plugged DPF will cause SCR poisoning. I would've contacted Schneider and get service records regarding if the DPF was serviced.

    The 3364/2:
    You have a DEF quality sensor in the tank built into the DEF header. This might need to be replaced.

    I wouldn't be so quick to condemn the ATS at this point as it could be a combination of your NOx sensors and DEF quality sensor giving "poor performance" for NOx conversion.
     
  7. mhyn

    mhyn Road Train Member

    4,255
    4,515
    Dec 29, 2008
    Northridge, CA
    0
    there is no 'DEF quality sensor' on DEF header, on the entire system..

    3364/2 troubleshooting
    320.2  SPN 3364/FMI 2 - EPA10
    Improper Diesel Exhaust Fluid Quality


    SPN 3364/FMI 2

    Description Improper Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Quality
    Monitored Parameter DEF Quality
    Typical Enabling Conditions DEF Refill event detected
    Monitor Sequence None
    Execution Frequency Continuous when enabling conditions met
    Typical Duration 2 hours
    Dash Lamps MIL, CEL
    Engine Reaction 25% Derate
    Verification Parked Regeneration
    Check as follows:


    1. Show/Hide Checkboxes
    2. Connect DiagnosticLink® .
    3. Is the Aftertreatment Control Module (ACM) software level 8.6.104 with fuel map ZGS 002 or higher?
      1. Yes; Go to step 3.
      2. No; update device software, then Go to step 3.
    4. Using the refractometer from DEF test kit W060589001900, measure DEF percentage. Is DEF percentage between 28 and 36%?
      1. Yes; Go to step 4.
      2. No; refer to appropriate manual for DEF tank cleaning/flushing procedure, then Go to step 12.
    5. Turn ignition ON (key ON, engine OFF).
    6. Compare DEF pressure to ambient air pressure (baro) and DEF air pressure. Is DEF pressure within 28 kPa (4.3 psi) of ambient air pressure (baro) and DEF air pressure?
      1. Yes; Go to step 6.
      2. No; replace the DEF pressure sensor. Refer to section "Removal of the Diesel Exhaust Fluid Pressure Sensor" . Go to step 6.
    7. Visually check all DEF supply and air lines for physical damage (kinks, cracks, leaks, disconnects).
      1. If damage is found, repair as necessary; Go to step 12.
      2. If no damage is found, Go to step 7.
    8. Remove DEF air pressure and temperature sensors.
    9. Remove the DEF inlet delivery line and DEF air supply line from metering unit.
    10. Remove DEF nozzle from the Aftertreatment Device (ATD) box.
    11. Flush warm water into DEF air pressure and temperature sensor cavities in the DEF metering until water flows from the DEF inlet and DEF nozzle. Reinstall sensors and perform the DEF quantity test service routine. Is the dispensed DEF fluid level between 102 and 138mL (3.45 to 4.66 oz)?
      1. Yes; Go to step 12.
      2. No; repeat flushing procedure. Go to step 11.
    12. Perform a DEF quantity test service routine and record the amount of DEF fluid level dispensed. Is the dispensed DEF fluid level between 102 and 138mL (3.45 to 4.66 oz)?
      1. Yes; Go to step 12.
      2. No; replace DEF Metering Unit. Refer to section "Removal of the Diesel Exhaust Fluid Metering Unit" . Go to step 12.
      [​IMG]
      ENGINE EXHAUST

      To avoid injury from inhaling engine exhaust, always operate the engine in a well-ventilated area. Engine exhaust is toxic.

      [​IMG]
      PERSONAL INJURY

      To avoid injury before starting and running the engine, ensure the vehicle is parked on a level surface, parking brake is set, and the wheels are blocked.

    13. Clear fault codes, start engine and perform a parked regeneration to verify repairs
     
  8. mhyn

    mhyn Road Train Member

    4,255
    4,515
    Dec 29, 2008
    Northridge, CA
    0
    SPN 4364/FMI 1/18 - EPA10 derates 25% engine power only... you can drive the truck until you can fix it :)
     
  9. RocketyMan

    RocketyMan Medium Load Member

    549
    337
    Jun 5, 2015
    0
    Not true. Depending on his truck, he could have a DQS (DEF Quality Sensor). And those sensors are located in the DEF header. I think he said his truck was a 2012, so in that case, he could have the ANALOG header. DQS might be a requirement for GHG14.

    And besides, quoting PSL does not prove anything regarding a truck having a DQS or not if it's a EPA10/GHG14 truck.
     
  10. mhyn

    mhyn Road Train Member

    4,255
    4,515
    Dec 29, 2008
    Northridge, CA
    0
    have you ever seen that DQS on truck?
     
  11. RocketyMan

    RocketyMan Medium Load Member

    549
    337
    Jun 5, 2015
    0
    Yup!
    Go to your friendly local FTL dealer, go to the parts manager and search for a P/N 04-27881 for analog and a P/N 04-30240 for a DQS based header. Ask me how I know...
     
  • Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.