Opening up a trucking company. Limited experience. What could go wrong?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by ShaftSlinger, Jan 14, 2017.

  1. ShaftSlinger

    ShaftSlinger Bobtail Member

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    Deadhead costs 1.18 per mile so when considering a load u calculate the miles to pickup and subtract that from the rate. Do u still want to haul the freight? If so then go get it.

    My loaded rate per miles for 2016 was 2.05. With unloaded all miles being 1.86
     
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  3. Ridgeline

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    There isn't really a reason why, it is just forgotten like a lot of other things.

    We account for it when we look at offers but then we don't commonly use the per mile rate to judge a load.

    By the way to the OP, if you do a straight split of the revenue, you will end up with better drivers. 60/40% is a good start, with the higher number going to the person who is paying for fuel. This means that the driver who is making 40% on a $2 a mile load isn't going to end up with 45 cents (which is really sad by the way) but make a good living off of it.
     
  4. ShaftSlinger

    ShaftSlinger Bobtail Member

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    I don't like the idea of doing a % split. I want to just pay for everything that is done. I pay .45 all miles

    I've seen people play funny business on loaded or unloaded but I just keep it really simple.

    Also the prime reason I bought the trucks was to unload the fuel that I was getting for basically free. Though now I've had to change some things around so the fuel does end up having a cost for me but its closer to .65/gal
     
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  5. misterG

    misterG Road Train Member

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    Are you really paying on a 1099?
    If so you're REALLY SCREWING your drivers. Forcing them to pay all taxes, when you pay nothing. I hope they know this going in.
    At .45 a mile, they aren't even making enough to pay the pay the phone bill at home.
     
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  6. ShaftSlinger

    ShaftSlinger Bobtail Member

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    I discuss this with them when they are hired
    .45 1099 skips out of the 14.9% Employment tax. Half of that would be on the employee no matter what, W 2 employees pay it on the w2 its called Social Security and Medicare 6.2% and 1.45% respectively

    so .45 1099 is equivalent to .42 w2

    There is Workers comp to factor in as well which for a large company I believe would be around 100 a month per employee. So yea I'm screwing them out of 3 cents a mile and 100$ a month.

    The benefit to them which I've come to find out is rather beneficial is they don't end up quitting every 3 months when debt collectors attach their payroll check. Also if they setup an LLC for 99$ I can pay it directly and then they get to deduct expenses for conducting the business well beyond what a normal W2 employee gets to deduct.

    IM not an accountant but I do have a finance degree. Looking at this objectively it looks to me like someone with a little bit of preparation can come out ahead going .45 on a 1099 vs .42 W2

    I met with my lawyer and with my accountant at the end of December to discuss the legality of 1099 and whether or not we should continue this and ultimately they said it would be fine and likely was more beneficial to the drivers to go that route anyway.

    Frankly anyone working for someone else is getting screwed. The definition of it is they do all the work and only reap a portion of the profits. Welcome to American Capitalism. The balancing factor is no one is obligated to conduct the transaction. The driver can quit at any time or I could fire him at anytime. My test has and will constantly be @ .45 are we putting drivers in the seat and miles on the road? When the answer becomes no I will raise that to .46 or .47 or wherever we have to so the answer is yes. There's no other angle to social justice here. If you want to make more go and buy the truck yourself. On the flip side of that argument I do appreciate a hard loyal worker and have full intentions of compensating those people at a higher rate. We all know that most drivers aren't going to work out. So there's no sense paying that higher rate until they are proven...
     
  7. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

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    This is what I keep saying to those who post on this site complaining about driver pay. If you think the pay is too low, then don't take the job. If your buddy takes the job, then complain to HIM about it. Not his employer.

    I couldn't afford to drive OTR at 0.45/mile. But that's me.
     
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  8. Eska

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    I really like the way you think. Im against low wages but in this market there is still drivers working for 38cpm, so i dont think you offer a low wage job. Also very true, you dont get rich, working for somebody else. If you are not happy with your income, take risks like others do.
    And i have one question for you. Why dont you get your own authority?
     
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  9. Old Man

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    Better get a quote on WC, in some states it could be $100 a week.
    Your screwing them and their family out of a lot more if they get hurt or killed. We the tax payers will end up paying medical bills and welfare until SS disability kicks in in 2 years. If a driver gets killed on the job would you even use some of your .03 to get the body home?
    As long as you treat drivers like meat in the seat your turnover rate will remain above the national rate of 100%
    If a driver gets hurt and comes after your LLC the IRS will be right behind them.
    Swift just lost a 5 year battle over calling lease purchase drivers contractors instead of employees FedEx keeps losing the same battle.
    I assume you "contractors " don't get help with medical insurance either.
    You are a motor carrier and a employer, man up and act like one.
     
  10. Eska

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    Also i want to say something about 1099 vs w2. When i was a company driver i did both. On 1099 at the end of the year i made more in net pay vs w2. On 1099 you can deduct a lot, if you act like a company.
     
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  11. ShaftSlinger

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    I appreciate your opinion and I may go the w2 route ultimately anyway. But frankly the difference of 3 cents a mile isnt going to make any difference for a driver at the end of the day. On top of that as Eska stated just one message above a driver who is at least somewhat intelligent can come out ahead of an equivalent w2 driver.

    Your point in workman's comp is absolutely relevant which is why I stress to every driver to either get workman's comp or an occupational health policy. If they don't get it even after I spend 15 minutes telling them to get it and even make them sign 3 documents saying they'll get it.... What can I do?

    Next step is to just clone myself and drive the truck for them.
     
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