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diesel drinker · Feb 23, 2017

daf105paccar said: ↑

To put it in a nice way ,Wielton still needs to develop it's products futher.
While they have moved forward,still not a quality product.

At this point in time ,for a "normal" trailer build in Europe ,best price to quality ratio i would suggest Vanhool.
Yup the busbuilder.
Also has a big trailerfactory.
In fact if i was thinking off doing regional flatbed work in the USA i would buy a curtainside with open roof from them.
That would save a lot off time when running against the 14 hour clock.
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So,I reckon you are familiar with their products?Didn't know they are available in the US

m16ty · Feb 23, 2017

Lepton1 said: ↑

I agree completely that Chinese companies can make great quality. I also agree completely that Chinese companies can't be trusted to make great quality.

They can make things that look and feel right, but will often give you a great price knowing that they are going to substitute substandard materials from a high school buddy that has a materials factory a few miles away.

You may even spend a week at the factory prior to production start up, carefully reviewing production procedure. You will get the full support of the factory manager, who will make a big show of barking at production supervisors in the conference room. But privately as you are demonstrating the proper use of cutting die matrix to the cutting department, one supervisor will have the balls to tell you he is 110% on board with everything you want, but when you leave the matrix is going into the trash bin and they will be required by the owner to go back to hand cutting counter dies. Your hired agent won't help you because he already has been compromised.

It isn't just China. It's any country that's high on the list of corrupt countries. I remember having a drink in the lounge of the executive floor of the Hilton Hotel in Seoul a couple of decades ago. I got to talking with a fellow American. He was living in the Hilton on a six month project. His job was to check the quality of every load of cement coming into a major construction site. The builder didn't trust Korean companies, so he hired an American company and insisted on American subcontractors and quality control.

First day on the construction site he checked the first load of concrete. It was badly out of spec. He sent the driver away. Ten minutes later the same truck pulls in, apparently after driving around the block. He was rejected again. An hour later a Mercedes Benz pulls in with all the top brass of the concrete supplier. They begged him to accept the quality. When they realized he couldn't be bought or swayed, they appealed to his sympathy by telling him they bid low thinking they could substitute inferior concrete like normal and they would lose money if they had to deliver the spec required in the contract. The American pulled out his cell phone and told those executives he would have to cancel the contract if they couldn't deliver and made to start dialing the phone number of the second place bid.

"Oh! No, no, no, no! We will deliver the concrete you requested!"

After that every load was perfect.

For a week.

Then they started to try and sneak in a load or two of the bad stuff, testing him. That continued until he called the executives to the job site and pointed out that X attempts to deliver concrete out of spec would result in a big financial penalty. It was in the contract and they were close to losing the remainder of the contract. Every load after that was perfect.
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Funny you should say this. I was in a high level meeting yesterday, arranging the build and shipment of a stamping press from Taiwan. The factory rep was present and was arranging for a couple of guys to go over and inspect the press build. Even the factory rep told them they will put on a good show but you have to actually watch them to make sure they do what you told them.

For what it's worth, we just moved out a line that made tail sections for the C-130. The American company lost the contact to a company in India.

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