Magnetic Mount Ground Questions

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  1. jwdesigns

    jwdesigns Bobtail Member

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    I have a Cobra 29LX and Cobra 42" 300 watt antenna. Dont ask why, but I punctured the foil thats between the magnet and rubber protector.
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    My SWR is decent. It fluctuates, but its decent. But I have to turn the squelch nearly all the way to the left to even get static. When testing the radio (just a stones throw away) with a handheld Cobra cb - I can barely be heard. Its very muffled.

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    I have a few questions.

    1) what issues can this foil puncture cause? I understand it acts as a capacitor. But I am getting continuity between the bottom stud (only exposed because I punctured the foil) and the chasis, as well as the outer shield of the coax at the radio. I get continuity on the bottom stud and chasis no matter where the antenna is Even if I hold it.

    There is no continuity with the broken foil and any part of the antenna. Which leads me to my next question...
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    2) if i have continuity and a ground on the bottom stud, why is the foil even necessary? Is there another ground required? The base of the mount has no ground. No continuity. Is it supposed to?

    3) when removed from the mount, my antenna has 2 studs. They do not have continuity with eachother. This is where I get confused. Is the lower stud for ground and top stud for power or another ground?

    I have no available coax nut or pin to test on the antenna side, just the radio side. And what about the mount itself? Is that grounded?
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    Someone suggested i should short out the studs and test for something. Can someone expand on that? Where would i need to place my multimeter leads? Whats meter setting?

    4) i have a few ground straps. Would adding that anywhere help? Like at the stud or outter mount? Any benefits to that?

    Can the foil be replaced? Or something else used?

    5) is it normal for static sounds to greatly change depending on where the mic is. Just moving it a few inches makes static sound much different.

    6) i have Yule Areoblade roof rails on my roof. Its aluminum. Cant find any continuity in it. Can that cause problems? The antenna is not touching them. Maybe 8-9 inches away.

    7) is there any diagram of what should have continuity with what, and not with, on the Cobra magnetic mount antenna?

    My main confusion is the diference in the truck ground and what the antenna needs to work properly.

    Thanks guys!
     
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  3. bored silly

    bored silly Road Train Member

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    Ok if it was me I'd find a way to go directly to the source and that means to the antenna builder themselves.... COBRA --AND TALK TO THEM.... IF THEY CANNOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS I WOULDN'T KNOW WHO COULD !!!!!!!!
     
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  4. jwdesigns

    jwdesigns Bobtail Member

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    Ever try getting them on the phone? Youd have better luck getting Trump to answer (800) WHITEHOUSE.
     
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  5. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    A capacitor is two metal bodies with an insulator in between, so with the antenna, the body that you attach the magnet to is one part, the rubber (and possibly the foil coating) is the insulator and the foil metal is the other part. The stud just hanging out won't do a thing, there is no balance to the antenna circuit.

    The use of a capacitor in a mag mount is to add a balance to the antenna system, without it, it is useless.
     
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  6. Crude Truckin'

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    Didnt you just ask this same question yesterday?
     
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  7. jwdesigns

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    Sorta. It was more of an SWR issue I was having, but got that worked out. Now just wondering what I can do with the foil.
     
  8. mike5511

    mike5511 Road Train Member

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    Buy a Lil' Will. It seems to be the best performing, under 4ft, mag antenna out there. I've not had much success with anything that says Cobra on it except for their radios.
     
  9. bored silly

    bored silly Road Train Member

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    E MAIL THEM
     
  10. Meteorgray

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    Quote: "There is no continuity with the broken foil and any part of the antenna."

    As you noted above, since there is no continuity involving the foil, I would just replace or repair the punctured foil with a new piece of foil to cover the bottom like it came from the factory.

    Then, I would use the antenna. It it does not perform satisfactorily, get the 3 foot Wilson Lil Wil as Mike suggested. If you want a longer magnetic antenna, the Wilson 500 is just over 4 feet, and the Wilson 1000 is just over 5 feet. They are all great magnetic antennas, about as good as you can get in their length categories.
     
  11. BTShepp

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    The 36" Cobra magnet antenna was my first antenna. If not damaged, it is a great inexpensive antenna with flat SWRs out of the box. I imagine the similarly sized lil wil gives better performance, but per the instructions, the whip comes a little long, requiring you to trim the whip a little if you want the top quarter of the CB band to have more acceptable SWRs. (The low quarter of the band is near perfect on the lil wil).

    I imagine the torn foil on your Cobra antenna is a problem. The missing rubber part is not a problem. I had no measurable effect once I tossed my rubber piece out. I imagine it actually hinders performance (in theory) because it increases the distance between the foil and car, decreasing the necessary capacitance.
     
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