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Log book theory. Can you put all 8 hours spent at the shipper on 2nd line?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by TallJoe, Jul 25, 2017.

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  1. Jul 25, 2017 #1
    TallJoe

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    Of course, I've done it before but I was never questioned on it.
    You know what I mean. You check in at 13 00 and they will finish loading you at 22 45. Of course it is not like you are resting on the bed all this time or not walking every 2 hours to the shipping clerk to ask what the hell is going on but your time spent there is more than 8 hours and in theory is it even permissible to show 8 hours in the sleeper?
     
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  3. Jul 25, 2017 #2
    Chinatown

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    Yes, it's permissible. Show 15 minutes for "check-in" ,then sleeper berth, then 15 minutes for "check-out."
     
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  4. Jul 25, 2017 #3
    pattyj

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    DOT doesn't care where you take your brake as long as you take it.
     
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  5. Jul 25, 2017 #4
    striker

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    Just don't expect shippers to pay detention. Years back, 9.5 hr unload at a place in KC, took my 8 in the sleeper (back when 8 was all you needed), logged it as such. Company billed broker for 7 hrs of detention, they argued I could have taken my 8 hr break, and therefore not needed to take it later. Boss fought hard for that money.
     
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  7. Jul 25, 2017 #5
    TallJoe

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    It is not even about detention. It is about the 14 hours that I could not cheat in any sensible way as I left pretty obvious time trail behind me today. So paper logs or not but today I can pretend I've been on elogs. I was not sure about 8 hours while being loaded, obviously you need to spend all that time in the sleeper but it seems too lame to hold together when you are audited. Perhaps, it is all right when they allow you to drop the trailer and park on the side. I have not gone through my first audit yet, so I don't want to go through any intricacies that can be interpreted not in my favor.
    I left the shipper after 6 hours due to my HOS limits. They did not even start loading me at that point.
    And I'll keep doing this: you have 3 hours to load the trailer or bye. Unless they warn me about long loading time before taking the load or they pay me good for detention which is rare.
     
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  8. Jul 25, 2017 #6
    snowwy

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    No. You can't. All time spent at any CMV property. Must be logged as on duty.

    That regulation has been posted on here a few times. But NONE of us follow it.
     
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  9. Jul 25, 2017 #7
    ChaoSS

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    I'd love to see you post that regulation.

    If you aren't responsible for anything going on, if you are relieved of duty, then you are off duty, and may log it as such. If you are in your sleeper berth, then you may log it is such.

    Feel free to show me just how wrong I am though.

    With the actual regulations.
     
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  10. Jul 25, 2017 #8
    mostangjay

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    I do that every other day. I arrive at the receiver mid evening. Check in for a 0400 appt. park, go to sleep wake up when they call me to a door, back in and go back to sleep until their done about 4 hours later usually just in time for me the finish a 10.
     
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  11. Jul 26, 2017 #9
    snowwy

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    You can find it. You've been around long enough. Posted a few times.
     
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  12. Jul 26, 2017 #10
    driverdriver

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    Perfectly legal after you check in and get a door to go into the sleeper and log it that way.
     
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