Does anybody know where I can find the FEMA loads?

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  1. A Truck Driver

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    You obviously do not understand the definition of a "broker". Your analogy is crap. The store/retailer OWNS the goods and services they are selling the customer. Try again or stop bringing shame to yourself?
     
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  3. A Truck Driver

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    Also, I am not asking to know "cost of operation", I am asking to know what they are CHARGING for the service they are offering me.

    Why is this so hard? Can a stock broker "hide" or change the price of a stock that they sell their customer? Or are they required under law to show you what you are paying them for their service?

    The bigger question today is, should freight brokers be distributing YOUR tax dollars(FEMA freight) without disclosing what they are charging to distribute the loads? I think not.

    The government does not even know what they are paying the brokers to distribute their freight. Taxpayers should be outraged that a middleman can BLINDLY take off the top for making some business connections. And trust me, they are making a KILLING off the naive truck drivers/owners.
     
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  4. A Truck Driver

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    VENDOR REGISTRATION - femacontract.com

    Have fun with it...
     
  5. A Truck Driver

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    How about a mortgage broker? Do you want to walk into a bank for a small business loan and not know how much the bank is charging for giving you government money? Is it "free market" for the mortgage broker to make 100% ARP interest off you by not disclosing his fees? Their fees are ALWAYS in the contract you sign. It is the law. Freight brokers have a sweetheart deal from the government. Smarten up.
     
  6. boredsocial

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    Yeah that's pretty much how the entire investing industry works. Ditto for life insurance. Those brokers went through a ton of work to get those fema contracts. That means they ####ing own them. Just like you own your stuff. If they can find trucks to run them at given prices that's what they should pay. They haven't done anything unethical by turning a profit.

    And retailers frequently do NOT own the goods and services they sell... And they expect a 50% gross profit margin. Mortgage brokers was a better example, but you have no idea how many different ways those guys find to get paid. I know that a whole lot of them made a whole lot of money back in the day and are making a whole bunch of money now.
     
  7. A Truck Driver

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    We the people own those FEMA loads, not the brokers.
     
  8. boredsocial

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    I have a suspicion you'd have a real problem if I said that we the people owned your MC number and all operating authority/history/etc and could do what we pleased with it.

    What part of those brokers waded through open sewage to get those contracts don't you understand? A real human being spent months of their life trying to get those contracts... And getting them wasn't a sure thing. They spent more time dealing with government Bureaucrats of the worst sort than you will in your entire life getting those contracts. And they did all of that to win a contract that was probably an open bidding situation. They set a price with the Feds and they won the contract. They own it now. They still own it if something goes wrong too.

    If you think they have such a cushy job you should go do it. I bet your brain turns off before you get to the third page of the first 500 page document you have to read to figure out how to get that contract. There are at least 7 of these documents btw.
     
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  9. A Truck Driver

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    How does a non asset based broker "own it" if something goes wrong? They will be coming after the carrier's insurance.

    By you defence of the indefensible, I highly suspect you have your hand in the cookie jar.
     
  10. A Truck Driver

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    How much should the government be paying truckless brokers to connect their FEMA loads to people who have trucks that are begging for the loads? $2500 per load? $1000? You tell me how that makes sense. The system is broken.
     
  11. boredsocial

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    Sure. But you're assuming it's the broker that's screwing you and not the government making someone jump through 1000 flaming hoops of poo to get a #### contract.

    Also don't kid yourself they aren't making THAT much. Yeah it's 20-25% margin freight... But to deal with the government that's more than fair. The silly part is that it took half as many man hours to get the load of water your running as it takes you to actually drive the load.

    Unfortunately I'm speaking from personal experience on the whole GSA thing. I was the point person for a freight brokerage. I won't be getting that six months of my life back. Ever. We didn't even get anything out of it.

    EDIT: Don't be a child about the risk. The broker can only sue you for some stuff. The absolute most he can do is not pay you 95%+ of the time no matter how bad you screw up. I guarantee there are provisions in that contract that make him VERY exposed to bad behavior by a truck. He needs to be compensated for that risk just like you would be.
    I still 100% agree with you about the existing system being super stupid... But don't assume that the profit would just drop to you if the brokers went away. In reality if the contracts were more accessible trucking companies and individual truckers would bid on them... And they would drive the prices down to somewhere in the neighborhood of where they are right now. Which would be absolutely fantastic for John Q Taxpayer AKA Yours truly.
     
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