Question for pre 1999 truck owners/buyers

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by MachoCyclone, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. MachoCyclone

    MachoCyclone Road Train Member

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    First, just for the record I'm against the ELD mandate. That should be up to each company owner and something the free market could do on its own without government interference.

    Question for the O/O's that are buying/already have trucks that exempt from the ELD rules; What are you going to do when the insurance companies tell shippers, brokers, and carriers that if you give that load to a driver/company without ELDs that they won't cover any cargo claims if something happens to the load. That will force the brokers, shippers, carriers to tell the non ELD guy sorry, can't give you a load til you have an ELD.

    Or what if your truck insurance company tells you they won't cover you til you have an ELD.

    Don't say that the insurance company can't do that because they can. They set the terms of covering a claim.

    I seriously want to know. I haven't heard this discussed on the radio or at the super trucker buffet.
     
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  3. cnsper

    cnsper Road Train Member

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    Well duh, you put one in. Led was not a deciding factor for the vintage truck, it was the ability to work on it and reliability. Elog is the last thing a nd more of a benefit.
     
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  4. W9onTime

    W9onTime Heavy Load Member

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    They will come up with some kind of gps ELD .
    That's if they already don't have one ,with other sensors like motion detectors and cameras.
     
  5. MachoCyclone

    MachoCyclone Road Train Member

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    I hear drivers talking all the time about how they are buying an ELD exempt truck or decided not to get a newer model just for that reason alone. Not because it's the truck of their dreams, reliability of it, etc.

    It's one thing to buy your dream truck, or whatever, but to buy one to just take advantage of a given loophole? Hopefully they don't think they will be able to not have an ELD for long.

    The Guberment going to have eventually allow something for those trucks after 2019 since an ELD connects to the ECM of the truck and if don't, then it's not considered an ELD.
     
  6. OLDSKOOLERnWV

    OLDSKOOLERnWV Captain Redbeard

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    So I'm going to be descriminated against? More or less.

    Fact: I have 30 accident free years of commercial driving experience.

    Fact: I have a perfect MVR

    Fact: I've never had a log book violation.

    Fact: It's been a lot of years since I had any kind of traffic violation.

    Fact: I own and operate a pre 99 Kenworth.

    Why is it that because I don't have no love for Elogs I'm automatically the bad guy for owning a older truck? Anyone explain that?
    Just might be that when the time comes, Insurance companies start looking real hard at drivers driving records? Is it possible they already are? Most likely. Guy I know can't even lease his truck to no one because of his driving record. He hired a guy to drive his truck about 2 weeks ago, truck is once again sitting because the company he leased to checked the driver out, and his record sucks too! May it be that Elogs are not needed in the end to rid the industry of the bad apples? I'm on my way to NY in an OLD truck running paper logs. God forbid any of the haters see this rogue outlaw that's such a threat to the highway. :)
    Oh and this question.... why are so many Elog trucks laying in the ditch, or piled up in the middle of the highway? Elog is totally about safety so what is the problem? The real problem. Y'all be safe out there.
     
  7. luckystar

    luckystar Light Load Member

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    Two things I recently found out . The last 1999 Detroit engine had SN 06R0568297 so all numbers lower are older and eld exempt.
    . And remanufactured Detroit engines loose all tracable identity of the original age of the engine. My brother has a 1997 freightliner with a 2011 remanufactured 12.7 Detroit engine and it has 2011 stickers and plate from detroit. After hours of calls he is being told the block is not tracable , Detroit said it looses its "original identity of age" when remanufactured. He has been told he will need ELD. ? .Does anyone have a reman engine that they have been able to find out its original age or any clarification on this?
     
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  8. luckystar

    luckystar Light Load Member

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    Oops posted the above in wrong section
     
  9. ZVar

    ZVar Road Train Member

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    After working in a remanufactured engine place right after high school (sure for cars, but I can't see big diesel being different)....
    The only thing original is the big hunk of metal i.e. the block Everything else is replaced. Knowing that, why would one think that that single hunk of metal would matter for anything regulation related?
     
  10. wore out

    wore out Numbered Classic

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    I bought one brand new truck in my life. 99 379 Pete with a 48" flat top 285 wheel base and a 2WS 550 3406E with 18 speed. When my National Guard unit was activated in 2003 and given to the 7th CAV things didn't look promising so I sold it. I miss that one. I bought it cause it was the last of the great Peterbilt's. Came home in late 04 thanksgiving to be exact, my Uncle had given me his prize possession an 86 359 extended hood with a 6 speed main and 4 speed auxiliary. It had sat but I didn't have a truck so I put it to work. It was then I figured out what a great truck really was. So I bought one that I used to drive and put a shine on it. Years pass I have a bad wreck, so I replace it with a 91. The common denominator in the '86 the '85 and the 91 is a B model CAT engine. I stick with what I know, what's proven and makes me money.

    Yes there are those buying trucks to skirt the regulation. Does it sound like I'm skirting it? I will be real honest in the last 7 years I been asked 2 times to see my log book wtf y'all really think I'm gonna do. That's right keep ridin just like I been ridin. E-log or no #### E-log
     
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  11. luckystar

    luckystar Light Load Member

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    I guess because that hunk of metal still uses the same old 1997 ecm.
     
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